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Hitler’s Finances, a Response to my Critics

October 1, 2013
Hjalmar Schacht, Money Power man

(Left: Did Hitler control Hjalmar Schacht or was it the other way around?)

The article on Hitler’s finances and the myth of Nazi anti-usury activism generated a major response. While rehashing the classic revisionist case for Hitler, none has disproven, or even mentioned, the basic case of the article: that the banks financed most of the Nazi economy and that the Reichsmark, like all other currencies, was created through fractional reserve banking, as an interest-bearing debt to these banks.
And many comments point to a wider malaise: deifying the disastrous Adolf Hitler.

I’m now responding to an article written by  Justice4Germans and an interview that Deanna Spingola did with Rodney Martin. I’ll also address a number of issues brought forward by feedbackers here and on other sites. Please let me know if there are other serious rebuttals to the article, I’ll have a look at them too, if needs be.

Some fun was made about my sources, most notably the Virtual Jewish library. This was duly anticipated. Few people realize that the best way to find out about somebody is to listen to his enemies. I make a point of looking at all sides of the story and sources should be be judged on the merit of their message first and foremost, while not forgetting who they are or represent. I have no illusions about Ziopedia or the Virtual Jewish Library, but the onus is on the critics to dispel their message and, as we shall see, they did nothing to do that.

Much of what was brought against the article seemed to suggest that these three people had the impression I am not aware of revisionist history, but this is wrong: I’m very well aware of revisionism and go along with a great deal of it. I don’t believe in gas chambers. Stalin wanted to invade Europe and had assembled a major striking force ready to take the whole lot after Hitler and the Western Powers had destroyed each other. Hitler was far from solely to blame for the war. In fact: the Money Power’s people in the British cabinet made sure there would be a war by guaranteeing Poland. Stalin wanted war. Roosevelt did everything in his power to get his, unwilling, people to join the mayhem.

However, Hitler wanted war too, and his apologists simply do not want to see this. Hitler wanted peace with the West, Britain in particular, and his many peace overtures to the West, both before and after September 1st 1939 are what they use to ‘prove’ Hitler’s desire for peace. But he saw war with Russia as his destiny. We can see that both from Mein Kampf and his actions in the late thirties and most certainly after he started Operation Barbarossa. It is most assuredly true that he found a worthy opponent in Stalin, who had his own designs on Europe, quite similar in their utter depravity to what Hitler was planning for Russia.

And what did Hitler intend to do with Russia? To exterminate her and take her land. And to sell it as this wonderful crusade against the bad Jews and their Marxist front. Nothing more and nothing less.

How do we know this?

Reading Mein Kampf is a good start. It’s all about the bad Bolshevists and how German colonization of the East will solve that.

Another very solid indicator is the despicable fate that the millions of Russian POW’s awaited in the German veritable death camps, where they were worked and starved to death by the millions. It seems about 3,5 of the 5,5 million POW’s died in German captivity. The Germans, cowardly, only started to treat them better once they realized they were going to lose.

Yet another brutal example is what happened in the Ukraine. In Barbarossa’s early days, the German invaders were welcomed by the Ukrainians, who had been starved in the greatest genocide of the 20th century, the Holodomor, by Stalin’s mostly Jewish NKVD. But Hitler unleashed such a reign of terror against them, that within months they started their partisan activities and looked at Stalin for answers. As honest commentators know, had Hitler been a reasonable man, really hoping to fight off an evil Bolshevist invasion, he’d have had the Waffen SS recruit a couple of million of Ukrainians, who would have gladly marched on Stalin’s Moscow for him.

But the most damning piece of evidence for the clear and present fact that Hitler was a genocidal maniac in the same league as his ‘great’ antagonists is the Hunger Plan. The well established policy of the Wehrmacht High Command to have the Wehrmacht live off the Russian lands by the third year of the war while calculating this would starve 30 million Russians. That should have left plenty of room for the German Folk! We can already imagine how Nazi propaganda would have been talking about ‘a land without people for a people without land’.

Hitler never had the chance to fully implement the Hunger Plan, but millions of Russians starved because the Germans took their supplies anyway.

What Hitler did to Russia is despicable and Revisionism, notwithstanding its many achievements, becomes a part of the problem when they aim to replace Allied and Russian war propaganda with Nazi agitprop.

The Jewish Question
And that’s another key point: Hitler’s defenders way overrate the Jewish Question. The Jewish Question is real and Jewish supremacy is incredibly annoying, there is no doubt about that. But is it really true that ‘Jews run the World’? I don’t think so: Trillionaires rule the world. Through their control of money, the Banks and through the Banks the Transnationals too. We are ruled by Capital: a small group of families. And they use Jewish Supremacism. They consider ordinary Jews their ‘lesser brethren’ at best, but more likely like total vermin like the rest of us.

How do we know this? Consider this:
1) It were the Jewish Councils that organized the transports to the camps during the war. These Jewish Councils were dominated by Zionists. They had no interest in ‘saving the Jews’. They had an interest in getting those willing to Palestine and they couldn’t care less about the rest. The Zionists, in turn, are owned by the ultra rich, as can be seen from the Balfour declaration, that was directed at Lord Rothschild. We also know that the Zionists did everything in their power to make the Jews’ plight as bad as possible, to uproot them completely, in order to get them to move to Palestine.
2) Jews are interest-slaves too: wealth distribution in the Zionist Entity in Palestine is among the worst in the world.
3) Anti-semitism is used to control the Jewish masses, who are perpetually kept in fear of the stupid Gentiles, who are supposedly always trying to murder them. Holocaustianity is a key part of this agenda. I believe everybody should see the ‘Defamation’ film to understand how the Jews are being manipulated in this way. Combined with this anti-semitism scare is this nasty ultra nationalism that Jews are programmed with and the strong cultural stigma against intermarriage with non-Jews. All this creates a decidedly narcissistic culture, which is very damaging to both the Jews themselves and the poor Gentiles having to live with them.

But the question now is: does that make the Jew our enemy? Or is it those that are programming the Jews? Those to whom the Jews pay their usurious tribute to? Those that made sure they were ethnically cleansed from Europe?

The simple fact of the matter is: Hitler did uproot the Jews and murdered probably about a million of them in the process. But he did nothing to really threaten the ultra rich. He didn’t end banking. The war he wanted was the war they wanted. They made a bundle from their arms manufacturers and their banks too.

It is not the Jewish commoner that is our enemy, however annoying Jewish tribalism may be and however despicable their whitewashing of their elite’s crimes.

Jesus and Paul were closer to the truth. Jesus when he said: “I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

And Paul with his famous, brilliant and very telling: “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

The Jews are the most manipulated people of them all and if the Money Power has its way some more will be sacrificed in the Greatest War that they have planned in the Middle East.

More on Schacht and Hitler’s Finances
It is unfortunate that there is so little financial literacy. This never ceases to amaze me: we all know that the bankers are behind all wars, owning both sides of the conflict. So why in the world are we not all studying economics and finance??

It tells in many of the comments too. For instance: in my article I noticed that Schacht oversaw the merger of several companies into I.G. Farben. This is then attacked by Martin as in some way ‘defaming’ Schacht. He says I only mention this because I.G. Farben has a bad reputation for Zyklon B and that it was just some sort of benign industrial giant.

Well I didn’t, because Zyklon B was used to delouse the camp inmates. I don’t see a problem with that. I do, however, see a major problem with massively consolidated industry in the hands of very few people, people who then continue to make an incredible amount of money with war profiteering. I.G. Farben was broken up after the war in its original parts. Agfa, BASF, Hoechst and Bayer. Today these are key components of the Big Pharma Cartel, which is behind chemotherapy, vaccinations and the depopulation agenda. I.G. Farben was closely associated with the Standard Oil Cartel, another issue people like to downplay. It is this close association that actually IS Big Pharma today.

Pharmacy and the eugenics link are also tightly connected, another little something I’m not eager to ignore.

Even worse is that Martin says ‘Schacht only provided a loan for the merger’. And this is why I suggest this financial illiteracy is really killing us. Because what is it that bankers do other than lending? It is by their financing that they control the economy! No financing, no deal. It is this prerogative by which they direct all the economies in the world. It is by the usury on the loan that they get their part of the action.

This blindness to banking, how it works and how bankers influence everything is also telling in the way Justice4Germans describes Schacht: “He spoke perfect English, had spent a lot time in America,  had connections, was very egotistical and enjoyed having power and prestige, and to be in the limelight.  Thus, Hitler was able to use and manipulate him to make him useful and to act as a kind of firewall against the international bankers while Germany was being reorganized under the NSDAP.”

Well, I’ll venture to suggest it was the other way around: Hitler was rather ambitious and through Schacht the Money Power controlled Hitler. The Money Power wanted Hitler to go to war and they made sure, through Schacht, that he could. They did not want him to nationalize the banks or end usury.
Why was Feder and the Nazi left sidelined after the night of the long knives? The fact is: this already happened in 1931, when Hitler’s financial and industrial backers threatened to cut him loose if he didn’t reign in Feder.

Schacht’s position as Reichsbank President was MUCH more important than Feder’s ministerial position, this is another issue the critics overlook. This position was second only to the Fuehrer himself, in terms of real power.

What was that old (probably debunked) quote about ‘give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws’? It seems that this all important lesson continues to elude many.

I repeat the simple fact that Schacht’s is an absolutely exemplary high level Money Power agent bio. Why try to make this go away? To say that Hitler was forced to appoint him to appease his backers (as both Martin and Justice4Germans suggest) basically admits that the power behind the throne was given what they demanded: control of the economy.

Then about Schacht’s policies, allowing the resurrection of the German economy.
As we know the Money Power rules through control of the money supplies of the nations and exploits this control through usury, the manipulation of the volume of money and to direct the economy by financing those it owns (or wants to own) while starving the rest of credit.

What Schacht did, and this is my basic message in the original article, is solve the volume of money. People are highly impressed by the quick solution of German unemployment. I’m not. People like Major Douglas, but also Keynes, would also not have been surprised. The simple fact is that depressions are caused by deflation, a contraction of the money supply. Provide the economy with sufficient liquidity and it will quickly return to full activity.

Schacht provided this much needed liquidity through his MEFO bills. I did not say, as Martin and Justice4Germans seem to believe, that it was rearmament that solved the depression in Germany. I did say that rearmament was where all the (extra) money went. They tried to downplay this, with some justification, by pointing at the public works program (Tempelhof Airport, Bremer Haven, Autobahns) that Hitler initiated, but here too they succumb to whitewashing instead of objectivity, claiming rearmament began only ‘in earnest’ in 1936. However, the mentioned public works clearly greatly enhanced both German productivity and capacity for war and this should not be overlooked. Moreover, Hitler immediately started reinforcing the Wehrmacht, there can be little doubt about that. It was his growing confidence because of the rebuilding Wehrmacht that gave him the nerve to remilitarize the Rhineland in 1935, not because Autobahns provided his troops with an escape route should the French have called his bluff.

German public debt stood at 18 billion in 1939 and total outstanding MEFO bills were at 12 billion Reichsmark.

And this is why it is so important to understand that the Reichsmark was created by the banks through fractional reserve banking, as an interest-bearing debt to them.

Martin says I destroyed my own case when I ‘admitted’ I have no hard data on real interest rates in the Nazi era. Nonsense: I was simply pointing at missing statistics that would further elucidate the situation. Let Martin show these statistics with 0% and I’ll be the first to recant. I provided plenty of evidence of Usury in the economy, including Nathan’s very informative essay (which all ignored), the legal Weimar interest rate of 4,5% that Hitler never changed and the fact that rising interest rates were used to cool the overheating German economy in the late thirties.

Justice4Germans, in his completely bogus ‘bottom line facts’ in his rebuttal to my article (claiming Germany had no debt, while it stood at 18 billion before the war broke out) makes the point that “Under the National Socialists, Germany’s money wasn’t backed by gold (which was owned by the international bankers). It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government.”

Completely ignoring that Germany left the Gold Standard in 1931, in the final years of the Weimar republic. In fact: most nations would leave the Gold Standard during the thirties. It’s completely irrelevant, whether money is backed by Gold or not, I’ve done more than my fair share in exposing this crucial fact here at Real Currencies over the last few years. What matters is, is the money circulated as an interest-bearing debt or not? Money today is not backed by Gold, that is the whole point: the German monetary system, the Reichsmark, was exactly the same as most nations have today and at the time. That is where the claim of ‘the myth of Nazi anti-Usury activism’ comes from!

The real question is: who owned the banks that lent the Reichsmark into existence during the Nazi era? Only the much maligned (by Hitler apologists) Henry Makow asked this question and my answer can be found under the article on his site. ‘Could it have been the Jews’, Makow wondered? And I’m willing to bet a fiver it were indeed the Jews. I have seen no data whatsoever that the owners of the banks were disowned and it’s a sure bet the Jews owned the banks during the inter bellum.

So Schacht solved the problem of deflation and money scarcity, but he did nothing to address usury. And Hitler didn’t either. Nor did Walter Funk, who succeeded Schacht in 1939.

Martin also makes a very favorable description of the European Economic Zone that the Nazi’s had in mind. Martin explains there were real elections in the occupied Western territories (Holland, Belgium, France). He also mentions the Japanese Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, calling it ‘similar’. Well, this is just a typical example of an all too credulous take on Nazi and Japanese benevolence. Both Empires aimed at a sphere of influence that would put their own countries at the center and the others as suppliers of raw materials and markets for the products of German and Japanese industry. Europe was to become a German dependency. To believe that the occupied territories would have been anything else but vassal states is really a very typical example of taking this Hitler worship way too far.

National Socialism, the Protocols and the Public vs. Private dialectic
Hitler brought the entire economy, including finance, under State supervision. As I described extensively, domestic capital markets were tightly controlled by the State and only the State had real access to them. All available financial means were gobbled up by the rearmament effort, especially after 1935.

And this is something very important, because there is this tendency to think that the problem is that banking, and especially central banking, is private, and that all will be solved if the State takes over. The fundamental mistake underlying this notion is the idea that the State is the Commonwealth or at least represents the public.

Personally, I’m completely cured of that idea. The problem of money and tyranny is NOT going to be solved by having the State take control. Most certainly not if the State does not provide interest-free credit, not just for itself, but also for the commoner, because the key problem is centralization of power and Usury is the ultimate centralizer of power. Capitalism is the concentration of power in private hands, the Plutocracy. But the Plutocracy itself intends to consolidate this power in State hands: they want World Government and the Protocols explain this all too well. Marxism is their tool in the Public vs. Private dialectic, showing they have absolutely no problems consolidating power in State hands. The question is always the same; ‘who owns the State’? And the answer is always the same too: the Plutocracy.

Where the Protocols are famous for their explanation of the conspiracy that is undermining the Gentile peoples and States, their emphasis in the final chapters, say Protocol 18 and beyond, are more focused on how they will manage their Kingdom, once the conspiracy to take over the world has come to fruition.

And this is where it gets really interesting. Because a closer look shows that there is no mode of Government closer to the Protocol’s ideals than………..National Socialism. I know full well that this will sound insane, or even worse, irrelevant, but I strongly suggest reading the latter part of the Protocols again with this idea in mind. I’d be most interested in anybody dispelling this notion.

Here are a few examples:
The Protocols claim that the King who needs a body guard is weak. People will think he has enemies to fear. The Protocols say that their King will walk in public without guards, but encircled by hundreds of people ‘who just happen to be there’, but in fact serve as a shield. This is exactly how the Fuehrer moved in public before the war.

The Protocols also have a strong focus on race although they make it clear that in the end everything will be decided by numbers. Again: this is exactly the same in Nazi Germany, where the German people were more or less God in name, but behind the scenes it were the wealthy that ruled, just as everywhere else.

Another example is the focus on the King as embodiment of the popular will. It’s hard not to think of the Fuehrer here. They also succinctly describe how unemployment is the greatest threat to government and that public works will be used to prevent unemployment and unite the interests of the King (who decides what will be built) and the workers, who will have a job and associated sustenance.

But the most important thing is the way the Protocols describe the State as the center and source of public life. The complete subservience of the individual to the State as the embodiment of the greater whole, being the Nation.

All these crucial issues are clearly at the core of National Socialism. For instance: point 25 of the NSDAP 25 point program says: “For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation.”

What was it with Hitler and Britain?
Just think about it: Anglo-German economic rivalry was the one of the key drivers behind European politics after 1900 and a fundamental reason for the Great War. Germany was industrializing and historians nowadays agree that it would have dominated the European mainland within years, were it not for the war. It is this rivalry that was to drive British business interests in the Greater war too.

And yet Hitler had this incredibly naive notion about the British as Aryan brothers in Mein Kampf.

How is it possible that he would not have known that Jewish Money and the British Aristocracy had merged throughout the 19th century and that the Money Power’s capital was London? Why did he ignore the lethal struggle between German and British economic interests? Why did he make this ridiculous speech about the ‘need’ for the British Empire and its ‘civilizing force’ after insanely letting the British Expeditionary Forces (BEF) escape the continent at Dunkirk? Why did Nazi propaganda only in the late thirties begin in earnest to expose Western Capitalism in the same vein as they had been attacking Marxism, as the Jewish Money Power fronts that they both are? Why did Hitler arrogantly, stupidly and suicidally attack Poland, knowing this would mean war with the Brits?

Was he fooled to believe there would be an Anglo-German entente, allowing him the continent and Russia?

If so, how did this happen? It must have been going on since the early days, because it was already prevalent in Mein Kampf. It would explain a great deal, including his many hopeless peace proposals with the West and Hess’ inexplicable flight to Britain. Just last week it was reported he brought with him a detailed peace treaty, offering to leave Western Europe in exchange for a free hand in Russia.

The idea of Hitler falling in a British/Money Power trap like this is speculation, but it most certainly would be very typical of perfidious Albion.

The Money Power has always pitted nation against nation. The British against the Germans, the French and the Russians. The Dutch against the French and the British, The Americans against most others and the Jews against all.

They get away with this, because people over identify with their nation. It aggrandizes their brittle ego. They are easily fooled with silly propaganda about the bad other. Then they gleefully join in the rape, the plunder and the genocide. Not unlike the Talmudists, they believe they can take the other’s stuff and even lives, if they’re not part of the same race or nationality. Or because we believe they are hopeless and bad.

We are all in this together and this is what we must come to terms with.

The Revisionists don’t understand money and don’t understand how Germany’s monetary system operated in the thirties. What is worse, instead of seeking truth, they are seeking to whitewash National Socialism and Hitler.

It is understandable, considering the insane lies that have been spread about both. Germany must be rehabilitated. Not as a poor victim of the mean Jews, who attacked from all sides, but as no greater part of the problem than we all are.

We are not going to solve the Jewish Question, let alone the real issue, Plutocratic High Priests of the Synagogue of Satan, by becoming them. By taking over the world from them with their own means.

We all suffer from Usury and degeneration brought upon us by the Money Power’s henchmen, among them Organized Jewry.  Throughout the war, all the nations suffered immensely, including the Jews. The sole victors were the Plutocrats.

In all this, Hitler was part of the problem and not the solution.

Hitler’s Finances and the Myth of Nazi Anti-Usury Activism
Hitler’s Finances, Schacht in his Own Words
The Public vs. Private Dialectic, or: Money as part of the Commons

Last Saturday Jason Erb interviewed me. We discussed the basic issues and the last half hour we talked a little about the article and its backlash.

  1. Well Mr. Migchels, you do nothing here but continue with a lot of mis-statements of history, mis-statements of fact and deflections, i.e. you change the subject and commingle the German prosecution of the War with the early National Socialist economic policies. Your sources are bad, your History is wrong and your agenda is clear.

    • This is a little general Mr. Martin (call me Anthony!).

      What is your response to:
      – The Hunger Plan?
      – The murder of millions of Russian POW’s?
      – The fact that the Nazi Reichsmark was created out of thin air through fractional reserve banking? At interest?
      – Have you found solid statistics about German interest rates?
      – How do you explain Hitler’s bizarre stance on England?
      – How do you feel about a totalitarian state parading as the great benefactor of the people as opposed to individual freedom?

      It seems we will be debating each other soon! I hope you come well prepared to address these fundamental issues.

      I will gladly stand corrected on all mistakes and if you can explain these issues away, I’ll call myself a National Socialist with pride!

      • Traitors to the nation, such as yourself, obviously in the pocket of international jewish finance, can never call themselves a nationalist, do you actually think your agenda of enslavement of the nation to jewish finance is patriotic? You seem very confused about the fundementals of national socialism, you want to talk about side issues? Let’s talk about nobel prize winner aleksander solzhenitsyn – gulag archipelago. Shall we agree that the communist system murdered at least 40 million as solzhenitsyn says?

        • Of course we agree that the communists murdered these people.

          And no, I’m not a nationalist, in the sense that I overrate nationalism. Nation has its rightful place. In the grander design. It’s not the greatest good. We are all brothers, that comes first. It does not mean that I’m saying that we want or need ‘diversity’ (mass immigration), I’m against that. But is there an excuse for Hitler’s actions against Russia?

          • Why don’t you read alxander zolzhenitsyns life masterpiece 200 years together the jews in the soviet union and admit that the communist murderers were all jewish

          • Man, have I in any way denied that or downplayed it? How about “In Barbarossa’s early days, the German invaders were welcomed by the Ukrainians, who had been starved in the greatest genocide of the 20th century, the Holodomor, by Stalin’s mostly Jewish NKVD.”

          • Jeepers, you really don’t get it, do you?

            It is exactly that: yes the Jews raped Russia in an uncannily excruciating way.

            So that’s a good reason to fall for Hitler’s propaganda he was going to fight the Jew while he was in reality simply going to take it from them? While killing untold millions and intending to kill tens of millions more?

          • Id love to see you spew that jewish filth to the farmers that hitler saved from speculators or the unemployed that hitler put back to work, why would a guy who is supposedly working for jewish finance enact a law canceling 25% of home loans for every child born? 100% of home loan forgiven after 4 children… it doesn’t jive Anthony, your Jewishness is spewing out every time you speak!

        • You are ridiculously off base calling me ‘a traitor to the nation’. That’s exactly the typical nazi line that we can expect with splendid national socialist like yourself.

          • Yiou are ridiculously off base calling nationalist germanys economic revival, which is well documented in several works that I have, unproven? If you are not german, don’t read german and have no idea that this is all documented than why not just admit that you are in fact working for international finance capital?

          • I fully accept Germany’s economic revival and explained it thus:

            What Schacht did, and this is my basic message in the original article, is solve the volume of money. People are highly impressed by the quick solution of German unemployment. I’m not. People like Major Douglas, but also Keynes, would also not have been surprised. The simple fact is that depressions are caused by deflation, a contraction of the money supply. Provide the economy with sufficient liquidity and it will quickly return to full activity.

          • Die Brechung der Zinsknechtshaft bedeutet die Wiederherstellung der freien Persönlichkeit, die Erlösung des Menschen aus der Versklavung, aus dem Zauberbanne, in die seine Seele von Mammonismus verstrickt wurde. Wer den Kapitalismus bekämpfen will, muß die Zinsknechtshaft brechen.

          • That’s the whole point isn’t it? Wonderful text by Feder, but Hitler attacked Russia and wanted peace with the capitalists of the West. He didn’t want to disturb the Jew running the world from London and he did not solve Usury in the domestic economy.

            Words are great, actions speak louder.

          • Hit reply to read squashed text.

          • don’t pretend you know what it says Anthony… Im on to you…

          • As I contributed in your first piece, I think this is an important topic. And for me that topic involves, though is not limited to, both the manner and core workings of the very successful economic and cultural revival which Hitler’s administration engineered, and the degree to which those workings were in small or large part beholding to what are here called ‘The Money Powers’.

            I think I only subscribe to 3 blogs: yours, Ellen Brown’s, and Justice4Germans. Frankly, I am surprised that you and the latter are so engaged! But again, I think this indicates that there is something important here.

            Two more suggestions/reactions:

            First: despite this second piece, I am still unconvinced that Hitler was a dedicated Money Power man, though am open to being persuaded with solid evidence. I also sense that the way Germany woke up and became joyfully productive was and is inspiring and holds lessons for how to run national communities well. That said, the sad result of all his work was the destruction of Germany as an independent country and the deaths of millions of his own people, the rape of millions of his own country’s women, not to mentions millions in the Eastern European zone.

            But can we blame him for all of that? Is it his fault that WW II, which arguably he did not instigate even if, as you reasonably claim, he was gunning for Ukraine all the time, the famous lebensraum case? Did his war-mongering cause the destruction of the British Empire? I suspect not. I suspect the general overall destruction of the war was a result of more global forces that even the genius-level German leader could not manage, had not properly foreseen, and which uber-fuhrered the Great Fuhrer himself. And I also suspect that many of those more powerful elements were strongly influenced, if not necessarily entirely controlled, by the hidden elites.

            In any case, the relative influence of what worked in 1930’s Germany, what was still ongoing behind the scenes (I have yet to find out what happened to all the money of the man rumoured to be the wealthiest in the world in the 1930’s, namely the senior Mr. Krupp whose first name I can’t recall because I suspect that story might elucidate how these cartels work in the shadows which their own behemothic dimensions cast), and to what degree the seeming victory of the Money Powers was design over happenstance. These things need to be clearly sorted out before any sense of the post-war world order – in which we still live today – can be understood in any meaningful fashion.

            Strangely enough, Hitler remains an enigma. I believe this indicates both that what happened in Germany was very important and also that it is important to keep it opaque. Which is why I also suspect it’s not a simple black-white, either-or case. For example, perhaps he was a sincere, brilliant messiah type as Stolfi well (albeit lumberingly) argues who thought he could ride in on the financier’s coat-tails, or at least mollify them sufficiently with policies enabling them to continue, but thought that over time he could squeeze them out. Years ago I read ‘Hitler – Memoirs of a Confidant’ ( in which the early idealists were planning things like complete worker buy-backs of firms because each year they had the right, collectively, to purchase 5% of the company, meaning that within 20 years they could own it outright. These and many other similar, highly progressive ideas, did not transpire, albeit many good things did develop, like holidays, exercise, affordable cars etc. etc., and not only did they transpire, but they reflected a consistent respect for the value of labour and social cohesion and also individual initiative and confidence, i.e. not some sort of cookie-cutout highly controlled machine world which we have been given to understand from propaganda stereotypes.

            Second: I think when some of you guys who are deep into this type of stuff, have arguments, that it is VERY important that you maintain a level of decorum and mutual respect so that you can argue forcefully without falling into name-calling or using emotion instead of reason. The higher the volume level of the insults and emotion, the lower the quality and clarity of the underlying argument. At some point, it is like a dysfunctional marriage and the only way to achieve sanity is to stop all discussion about it or divorce. And that is a pity in this case because, again, the issue is important and deserves serious consideration, and throwing around emotion-laden insults is the easiest and most effective way of serving the Cartels by making it unpleasant and unworkable to take another crack at solving the puzzle which they have left us with.

            Again, keep up the good work!

          • @ caperash

            Do you be any chance refer to remarks such as this:

            “That’s exactly the typical nazi line that we can expect with splendid national socialist like yourself.’

            as written above by Anthony ?

            First: National Socialists are NOT nazies no matter how often the massive global judepropaganda machine repeates that crap.

            Second: painting all those you FEAR with one brush is sooo last century.

            Third: if you or Anthony expect a thread to rise above ad hominem then the owner of the blog is responsible for setting the bar and maintaining it

            so far I have seen anthonys insults to persons here and to ALL National Socialists
            and many who have disagreed with is repitious buzz phrases that are right out of the judepropaganda writings of the last 70 years and much as we can get almost any day on The History Channel of Re education on all activities of the WW2 to fir the zionist agenda and totally program the minds of the masses to HATE all Germans

            so when you call for a higher level of verbal conduct perhaps you want to start with the HEAD?


          • Keep in mind I was responding to mike calling me a traitor of the people and calling to shut me down Sophia. If you and others want National Socialism to be taken seriously, it’s no use trying to shut people up who make fair comments about Hitler’s monetary credentials. Especially not, if the blog involved has done a fair bit to expose Usury in its many forms and guises.

          • @ anthony

            ” but Hitler attacked Russia and wanted peace with the capitalists of the West.”

            Hitler believed he had a pact with Russia ( Ribbentrop) and in his naieve beliefs he saw Britain and France as allies in rebuilding a safer stronger healthier Europe
            He continually get some rude awakenings as he pursued his own vision for a peaceful world as he had NO CLUE at the time that Britain and USA were already deeply controlled by the bolshevik/communist global entity.
            He had NO intent or plan to attack Russia until Carnaris got the intel back that Rus had amassed thousands of tanks along the border ready to roll into Europe by way of Germany. He had NO choice but to attack premptivly and if he wasnt defending the Duce as per their pact he would not have been spred thin and very probably Germany would have won the whole war and the world would be a better place today.

            So it is obvious when you anthony keep repeating bits taken out of context to support your pro status quo blatherings you do not choose to show the cause of any action that was the ONLY choice left in light of the reality with which AH was hit as the veils were dropped. .

            The judepropaganda machine has used that buzz phrase :
            ” Hitler attacked poland to start WW2″
            so long and often it is now believed by most.

            To keep doing that is to display your true agenda and not the intellectual honesty of a real researcher. When u repete such a buzz phrase why do you not give the context?….mmm?

            IMV this is when he must have had some dark night of the soul moments as all the little redflags he had missed began to fit into one tapestry…
            that he had been duped from the start by FDR and Churchill , BOTH jews and zionists working together behind the scenes as documents have proven to drag American into a WW2 with Germany thus working for the hidden agenda, one to take over all of Europe and two still ongoing to wipe out the best and brightest of all the Gentile youth in Europe and America.

            ” FACT: AUGUST 25 1939
            BRITAIN AND POLAND SIGN A COMMON DEFENSE PACT. The Polish-British Common Defense Pact contains promises of mutual military assistance between the nations in the event either is attacked by another European country. This builds upon a previous agreement (March 1939) between the two countries, and also France, by specifically committing to military action in the event that Poland is attacked.

            .With this agreement, powerful Globalist forces in the UK have now trapped the reluctant Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, as well as France and Poland. All that is left to do now is for Polish-Bolshevik border thugs to deliberately provoke Germany into action and get the ball rolling.

            AUGUST 31 1939..THE GLEIWITZ INCIDENT:

            Overestimating their strength, underestimating German strength, and knowing that France and the UK would now be forced to back them, Polish-Bolshevik terrorists cross the border and attack a German radio station in Silesia, Germany. It is actually the latest in a string of deliberate border instigations against Germany.

            .The “Bolsheviks” then broadcast a message (in Polish) urging others to take up arms and start attacking Germans. German police quickly arrive and retake the station, killing one of the Red terrorists.

            .Bolshevik Red terrorists, their Polish government protectors, and their Globalist masters have picked a fight with Germany!

            Modern historians claim that the Gleiwitz incident was staged by Germans dressed as Polish terrorists.
            But as is the case with the Reichstag Fire conspiracy theory,
            they offer no evidence,
            (beyond a forced “confession” obtained after the war) to support this theory – a theory that ignores the outrageous and repeated pattern of provocations directed at Hitler’s Germany ever since 1933, the numerous border incidents, and also Hitler’s sincere attempts to negotiate a fair resolution to the Corridor and Danzig controversies. ”

            Anthony, here are facts borne out by documents captured by USA and Russ after the war and eventually by those honorable Revisionists digging and demanding FOIA copies and when seen in the light of TRUTH you must let go of your proselytizing for the WorldManagementTeam and begin an honest discussion of AH and what he was and STILL IS for all freedom loving/seeking people everywhere.

            Yes HE still is the light of resistance to global tyranny!

          • @ anthony

            “it’s no use trying to shut people up who make fair comments about Hitler’s monetary credentials. ”

            would you please show where anyone had told you to shut up

            yes perhaps pointing out your frequent misinfo posts as you must expect when you post on a public thread where people who do not agree with you are still able to speak our disagreement

            but telling you to shut up is something I have missed …
            so please show me who and where that was done

            or is it a little paranoia and lot of using buzz words to support that little bit of paranoia?

            that term ‘projecting ‘ comes to mind with your statement here, 😉


          • Brownhawk permalink


            For what it’s worth, I think you’re naive if you think Hitler didn’t know for quite some time that war with the Soviet Union was inevitable. Nothing Stalin did with regard to the Soviet Armies would have been surprising to him. In fact, Stalin probably let Hitler get the jump on him thinking that the Wehrmacht would go the way of Napoleon’s army and ultimately perish in the endless vastness of that giant land mass. Especially knowing that the Zionist backed allies would provide the Red Army with all they needed to prevail in the end.

          • Photos of Germany 1930s with yoke of Jewry removed from their necks, done with NO Gold, No fractional Reserve, No Fiat.
            Hitler was not financed, though he made some small deposits in a few NY Banks.


          • Seriously man, this was good stuff.
            You could be a screen writer for Spielberg perhaps…

            Fact: The German Military GDP spending was less than 10%, thats easily researched.
            Much, Much less than any of the allied nations that supported Communism and in fact helped spread it TO 11 nations, the same Communists Patton wanted to invade by ReArming Germany. (See Pattons Diary on the Jews)

            ‘Germany is the enemy of Judaism and must be pursued with deadly hatred. The goal of Judaism of today is: the complete destruction of the nation. We demand a complete blockade of trade, the importation of raw materials stopped, and retaliation towards every German, woman and child.”
            – (Jewish professor A. Kulischer, Oct, 1937)
            1937 was Years Before the War Began

          • Nobody denies that Germany was the enemy of Jewry, as is the US today. That’s why they declared war on them in 1933, I guess, not?

            “Fact: The German Military GDP spending was less than 10%, thats easily researched.”
            What does this mean? The US defense spending is about 5% of GDP. That’s enough to spend more than all other major powers combined.

  2. Hey dude you are continuously trying to guide the subject away from the concrete evidence that proves you wrong, I would like to direct you to the book “crimes against the wehrmacht, it has been translated into english by c w porter, since you obviously do not read german… later on today I will post for you the documents in old german fraktur that prove you 100% incorrect and for your part you can post something that attempts to prove you incorrect. So far, you have shown absolutely nothing to prove your case…

    • No way mike the nationalist. You are missing the key issues: interest-bearing fractional reserve banking as the basis of the German money supply. Power centralization in the Nazi State, at the cost of personal conscience.

      • I’m a stainless steel worker, in about 3 or 4 hours when I get off of work I can easily direct you to the documented evidence which prove you to be 100% in error, if you can’t read in german that’s ok, english translations are in process… but you are patently incorrect, why have you still failed to post anything like a source validating your claims? You are also not a productive member of society are you? You are missing the fundementals here of unearned income and fradulent interest to foreign supra national financiers of jewish ethnicity,I would like for you to show anything resembling evidence that hitlers government borrowed one penny from international finance ministers? I’m sure ill be waiting for eternity, you realize that economic management in the third reich, credit and economy in national socialist germany, national socialism and the bank question and something like 30 other books on the german economy are still in circulation right? You were just counting on none of us being german speakers or what?

        • There is a misunderstanding: Hitler borrowed from domestic banks, not international. Some of them were public, but the mainstay private. The question is, as mentioned in the article: who owned the banks. What was the interest rate paid to them. If you can tell me that, we will get to the bottom of this!

  3. The only issue that Anthony Migchels didn’t refute, that Rodney Martin and Deanna Spingola spent nearly a half hour of their hour long radio program ridiculing, is how to pronounce his last name.
    With such critics one is tempted not to bother; but I’m glad you did as we all are the beneficiaries of a well reasoned, researched and balanced account of history.

    • I did not listen to the show, I turned off and tuned out comrade Spingola long ago.

    • Anthony didn’t refute anything Rodney martin said… you realize this correct? like schact having nothing to do with ig farben except for approving their loan… are you just dumb or what?

  4. marxbites permalink

    Kudos Anthony,

    IMO all the worlds so-called leaders of the past several centuries have been puppets of those who finance their crimes against humanity.

    NOT because of interest on risk capital, but because the bankster’s “Capital” is printed w/out cost to themselves or any mining eg production, but from thin air, which becomes a debt with interest for humanity.

    We would NOT have these property rights violations such as depreciating currencies and debt conjured from nothing with sound monies.

    David Irving knows the score:

    David Irving: The faking of Adolf Hitler for history (part 1)

    Just as did abolitionist lawyer Lysander Spooner waaaay back in 1867 in his essay “No Treason…”, see the link below.

    Tasty revelations:

    ……These are questions that must be answered, before men can be free; before they can protect themselves against this secret band of robbers and murderers, who now plunder, enslave, and destroy them.

    The answer to these questions is, that only those who have the will and power to shoot down their fellow men, are the real rulers in this, as in all other (so-called) civilized countries; for by no others will civilized men be robbed, or enslaved……

    ……But with (so-called) civilized peoples, among whom knowledge, wealth, and the means of acting in concert, have become diffused; and who have invented such weapons and other means of defense as to render mere physical strength of less importance; and by whom soldiers in any requisite number, and other instrumentalities of war in any requisite amount, can always be had for money, the question of war, and consequently the question of power, is little else than a mere question of money. As a necessary consequence, those who stand ready to furnish this money, are the real rulers. It is so in Europe, and it is so in this country.

    In Europe, the nominal rulers, the emperors and kings and parliaments, are anything but the real rulers of their respective countries. They are little or nothing else than mere tools, em- [*48] ployed by the wealthy to rob, enslave, and (if need be) murder those who have less wealth, or none at all.

    The Rothschilds, and that class of money-lenders of whom they are the representatives and agents — men who never think of lending a shilling to their next-door neighbors, for purposes of honest industry, unless upon the most ample security, and at the highest rate of interest — stand ready, at all times, to lend money in unlimited amounts to those robbers and murderers, who call themselves governments, to be expended in shooting down those who do not submit quietly to being robbed and enslaved.

    They lend their money in this manner, knowing that it is to be expended in murdering their fellow men, for simply seeking their liberty and their rights; knowing also that neither the interest nor the principal will ever be paid, except as it will be extorted under terror of the repetition of such murders as those for which the money lent is to be expended.

    These money-lenders, the Rothschilds, for example, say to themselves: If we lend a hundred millions sterling to the queen and parliament of England, it will enable them to murder twenty, fifty, or a hundred thousand people in England, Ireland, or India; and the terror inspired by such wholesale slaughter, will enable them to keep the whole people of those countries in subjection for twenty, or perhaps fifty, years to come; to control all their trade and industry; and to extort from them large amounts of money, under the name of taxes; and from the wealth thus extorted from them, they (the queen and parliament) can afford to pay us a higher rate of interest for our money than we can get in any other way.

    Or, if we lend this sum to the emperor of Austria, it will enable him to murder so many of his people as to strike terror into the rest, and thus enable him to keep them in subjection, and extort money from them, for twenty or fifty years to come. And they say the same in regard to the emperor of Russia, the king of Prussia, the emperor of France, [*49] or any other ruler, so called, who, in their judgment, will be able, by murdering a reasonable portion of his people, to keep the rest in subjection, and extort money from them, for a long time to come, to pay the interest and the principal of the money lent him.

    And why are these men so ready to lend money for murdering their fellow men? Soley for this reason, viz., that such loans are considered better investments than loans for purposes of honest industry. They pay higher rates of interest; and it is less trouble to look after them. This is the whole matter.

    The question of making these loans is, with these lenders, a mere question of pecuniary profit. They lend money to be expended in robbing, enslaving, and murdering their fellow men, solely because, on the whole, such loans pay better than any others. They are no respecters of persons, no superstitious fools, that reverence monarchs. They care no more for a king, or an emperor, than they do for a beggar, except as he is a better customer, and can pay them better interest for their money. If they doubt his ability to make his murders successful for maintaining his power, and thus extorting money from his people in future, they dismiss him unceremoniously as they would dismiss any other hopeless bankrupt, who should want to borrow money to save himself from open insolvency.

    When these great lenders of blood-money, like the Rothschilds, have loaned vast sums in this way, for purposes of murder, to an emperor or a king, they sell out the bonds taken by them, in small amounts, to anybody, and everybody, who are disposed to buy them at satisfactory prices, to hold as investments. They (the Rothschilds) thus soon get back their money, with great profits; and are now ready to lend money in the same way again to any other robber and murderer, called an emperor or king, who, they think, is likely to be successful in his robberies and murders, and able to pay a good price for the money necessary to carry them on. [*50]

    This business of lending blood-money is one of the most thoroughly sordid, cold-blooded, and criminal that was ever carried on, to any considerable extent, amongst human beings. It is like lending money to slave traders, or to common robbers and pirates, to be repaid out of their plunder. And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived……

    ……Thus it is evident that all these men, who call themselves by the high-sounding names of Emperors, Kings, Sovereigns, Monarchs, Most Christian Majesties, Most Catholic Majesties, High Mightinesses, Most Serene and Potent Princes, and the like, and who claim to rule “by the grace of God,” by “Divine Right” — that is, by special authority from Heaven — are intrinsically not only the merest miscreants and wretches, engaged solely in plundering, enslaving, and murdering their fellow men, but that they are also the merest hangers on, the servile, obsequious, fawning dependents and tools of these blood-money loan-mongers, on whom they rely for the means to carry on their crimes.

    These loan-mongers, like the Rothschilds, laugh in their sleeves, and say to themselves: These despicable creatures, who call themselves emperors, and kings, and majesties, and most serene and potent princes; who profess to wear crowns, and sit on thrones; who deck themselves with ribbons, and feathers, and jewels; and surround themselves with hired flatterers and lickspittles; and whom we suffer to strut around, and palm themselves off, upon fools and slaves, as sovereigns and lawgivers specially appointed by Almighty God; and to hold them- [*52] selves out as the sole fountains of honors, and dignities, and wealth, and power — all these miscreants and imposters know that we make them, and use them; that in us they live, move, and have their being; that we require them (as the price of their positions) to take upon themselves all the labor, all the danger, and all the odium of all the crimes they commit for our profit; and that we will unmake them, strip them of their gewgaws, and send them out into the world as beggars, or give them over to the vengeance of the people they have enslaved, the moment they refuse to commit any crime we require of them, or to pay over to us such share of the proceeds of their robberies as we see fit to demand.

    3/4ths dn the pg, sect XVIII

    The entire essay is quite fascinating, and completely alien to today’s state inculcated brainwashed masses.

    • marxbites: Very well done. Bravo! My sense is that all forms of “banking” should be abolished. Banking is a perverse and twisted process that implies that the common person needs the “safety” of an institution to protect them from theft. The irony of the entire concept has slipped past common deduction for hundreds of years. It in-creditable. Heh…

      The sheep look up to the sky for salvation, and never notice they wear hoofs, and are standing in their own manure.

  5. marxbites permalink

    AM sez:

    Personally, I’m completely cured of that idea. The problem of money and tyranny is NOT going to be solved by having the State take control. Most certainly not if the State does not provide interest-free credit, not just for itself, but also for the commoner, because the key problem is centralization of power and Usury is the ultimate centralizer of power. Capitalism is the concentration of power in private hands, the Plutocracy. But the Plutocracy itself intends to consolidate this power in State hands: they want World Government and the Protocols explain this all too well. Marxism is their tool in the Public vs. Private dialectic, showing they have absolutely no problems consolidating power in State hands. The question is always the same; ‘who owns the State’? And the answer is always the same too: the Plutocracy.


    Anthony, have you NOW actually read Murray N. Rothbard’s essay “Wall Street, Banks & American Foreign Policy”?

    B/c that paragraph of yours COULD have just as easily come from MNR re: concentrated power over money by govt diktat – EXCEPT Rothbard was for commodity market chosen money in the control of NO Oligarchic criminals but under NO control but simply supply and demand for money.

    Under a comparatively sound money regime for our first 125 yrs, America had inflation a total of 8% over that period, yet productivity gains in the last qtr of the 19th C brought us slow steady increases in money buying power – aka rising stds of living – as prices slowly fell.

    America’s biggest mistakes are the wars for elite profit and power. ONLY the Revolution and the South’s fight against unconst’l Northern aggression were JUST WARS.

    If NOT, and FYI and others:

    Murray spent his ENTIRE career sussing out the nexus between power elites and egregious foreign and domestic policies that enrich them and rob the people.

    He could have easily been a state lickspittle like Freidman was in part, b/c MNR had truth as his ultimate goal.

  6. It’s always good to revisit history, especially when we consider the financial implications from all the players. If, as you say, your critics should include economics in their study, perhaps this will wake them up and one day they will do so.

    So here is a starting point for those critics:

    I know fractional reserve banking is a commonly used phrase for how banks create money out of nothing, money, that is, that did not even exist before any loan transaction took place. But the real truth is that banks do not have and are not required to have any reserves in their possession to make a loan contract. The only thing they need on hand is a cash flow to make payroll and pay suppliers. The money they create for loans is based on an appraisal of an asset put up as collateral by the borrower in a loan contract. The value of the collateral is placed in the credit column of their ledger. After this the same number is also placed in their debit column. The debit column is therefore a liability to the bank which the bank is responsible for in case the borrower defaults payments down the road. The bank can collect payments for twenty years that may result in all the principle plus interest being paid back. Upon default, even after this, the bank still confiscates the collateral. We now have computer screens to keep track of these loan transactions.

    So the phrase ‘Fractional Reserve Banking’ is really specter from the past, now a euphemism, used in the terminology of today. It is simply a carryover expression of a time when the banksters purportedly had a fractional amount of gold to back the currency they issued, of which they claim the gold gave them the right to privately create our money for us. How sad it is for how far we have come that privately owned international banking cartels exercise complete control over almost every nation’s money supply through this corporate and individual bank credit and government borrowing method of creating new money just to expand or contract the money supply for commercial activity. All new money entering the currency stream is the result of this debt process. No money today exists without it.

    Tell your critics, Anthony, to wrap their heads around that first before trying to prove that anything at all happens by accident without the money power being somehow involved. They can afford as many agents as they want. And this has been going on now for over three centuries.

    Just think of how money could work for the benefit of the people of the world if honest people would create their own money supply with parasites removed from the picture.

    Daniel S. Krynicki

  7. As Adolf Hitler noted in Mein Kampf about Feder’s ideas: “In fundamental questions his statements were so full of common sense that those who criticised him did not deny that his ideas were fundamentally sound, but they doubted whether it would be possible to put these ideas into practise.”

    They have missed something. Interest is not a monetary issue. It reflects the return on capital and it is also an allowance for risk. I think Adolf Hitler experienced practical issues in making it work. This may also explain why Feder was replaced.

    • Interest IS a monetary issue. But I fully agree with your statement ‘it reflects the return on capital’. Allowance for risk is not really to the point: there is collateral.

      It’s true that Hitler was simply not practically involved enough: he was simply not capable of fully digesting the monetary issues at stake and neither was Feder, who admitted as much. It is this ignorance of the monetary that the Money Power has been exploiting for 5k years now and not knowing money will have them fool us all the time.

      • It is generally accepted that the main reasons for interest on money to exist are:
        1. the return on capital;
        2. the risks associated with lending out money (default and inflation);
        3. time preference because having money now represents more freedom than receiving it in the future.

        On the other hand compound interest is infinite in the long run, which is a cause of economic crises. This is what Feder and Adolf Hitler also realised. So a workable solution can only come from a merger of both positions. This is possible, and I am working on that, see:

    • You make thesde statements never having read feders work correct?

  8. Anthony are you jewish? Tell us about the 5 holocausts of 6 million jews in spain, rumania, russia, ukraine and germany totaling 30 million jews killed by evil nationalists in the space of 50 years while the world jewish population was only 15 to 16 million… sounds real believable… if hitler worked for jews as you claim which has also been proven patently false by german professor werner masser, than why would he have confiscated the estates of rothschilds and driven them into exile as neil fergusson has documented? Your propaganda is very weak and pathetic, while you cillect your un earned income and contribute to the destruction of the nation with your pathetic propaganda attempts… so the self declared chosenites immediately after being persecuted decide to commit a real holocaust on the palestinian people complete with concentration camps or should I say jewish gulags… not believable… like you

    • No, I’m not Jewish and you have read nothing I wrote and I don’t go along with endless diatribes against the Jews while you are living in the past instead of focusing on the simple solutions that we have today: interest-free monetary reform, which will solve the ‘Jewish Question’ once and for all.

  9. Anthony jb campbell, a man I respect more than anyone wrote a great article behind the holocaust which explains your method of attack here… I like jb campbells soultion to the jews and to the problems incurred on a national, economic, social, moral, political and military level, don’t you? I think perhaps you should go to his website jbcampbellextremismonline to learn what many of us think of people like you – traitors of the nation

    • Don’t start about the Holocaust, I clearly stated I’m no believer in gas chambers. Still, 100’s of thousands of Jews died in the camps, many more were killed in many ways in Russia and Poland.

      The Zionists were not killed in WW2, that’s one of the whole points you and your friends (I’m not an enemy, I’m looking to solve the same problem as you) seem to overlook.

      The Germans, meanwhile, faithfully and ignorantly continued to pay interest to Jewish owned banks that printed the money, including on that which Hitler borrowed and for which he taxed the German worker.

      At the same time these Jewish Bankers, who were in London and not in Moscow, wanted Germany and the USSR to fight. Hitler duly complied, even at the cost of attacking Poland to get a border with the USSR.

      Oh, did I mention that real wages in Germany continued to lag those of the British during the thirties and that they actually seemed to have plummeted 25%?

      Ah well, soon the German worker would be dying in Russia………

      Stop idealizing the past and Hitler. Take what is good (he ended the depression) and build on that. Learn from his mistakes. They were many and Germany and the world paid a very steep price for them.

      • Oh I’m not living in the past, we have a far worse jewish problem in the us right now and we must deal with it exactly as germany dealt with the same problem if we are to survive, the poisoning of our youth from jewish hollywood, the corruption of our politicians by jewish finance, the manipulation of our money and economy by yet again, more jews… by the way, you quote directly from jewish propaganda, around 300,000 people died during the entirety of ww2 in concentration camps source? The red cross archives and the actual german archives released by the russians in 1992? Or 1991? Anyway, 2 original sources saying the same thing, 300,000 people died in german concentration camps through out the entire war of which roughly 5 to 10 percent were jewish, here is a third source – mike oliver lithuanian jew who was linerated from dachau, real name mike olitsky, he stated that every german soldier or gaurd in dacau was shot by americans, a war crime, this was corroborated by an american but I forget the name, anyway he was one of 1200 jews among 30,000 inhabitants who recalls humane treatment and absolutely no killing by any means of any jews… nice try anthony but you are way too pathetic for the subject of truth and you are a very bad manipulator… only by arresting the people forcing us to murder iraqis and afghanis in the millions can we stop what is today known as greater israel plan, jews controlling every facet of america is what I’m refering to, why don’t you read economic management in the 3rd reich, credit, money and economy in national socialism and national socialism and the bank question all by gottfried feder, they disprove you entirely!

        • Oh, by all means, please go out and arrest Wolfowitz, Pearle, Zakheim, Bernanke, Blankfein, Summers, Yellen and all the crazy monsters that are destroying us, you won’t find much beef with me there! Investigate them and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Also, don’t forget to close down or closely control Jewish outlets, end dual citizenship in the leadership. Please don’t forget all the non-Jewish bankers, like Hank Paulson, Jamie Dimon, and ‘christian’ zionists.

          But PLEASE……PLEASE don’t forget the monetary system and provide interest-free credit. And PLEASE………… PLEASE Don’t go attack some other stupid country, or defend Putin waging war on America or chose sides in WW3.

          Because these are the mistakes that Hitler and the Germans made and which people are now overlooking.

      • Mr. Migchels, your statements Re: Wages in Germany laging behind Britain is false. Look at wages and job creation in Germany from 1933 -1936 as opposed to Britain. Also, you say Germany was paying interest. Are you referring to the renegotiated loans on WWI reparation payments, which were Notes the new Government inherited. The Reich Government did NOT pay Usury on any NEW Government Financing, i.e. such as the enormous Projects I named on Deanna Spingola’s Show. You seem to be a Stalin fan, BOTH Lenin and Stalin had designs on Germany, more on that later. You keep deflecting an economic discussion to your Pro-Soviet position in the war between Germany and the Soviet Union.

        • And that’s where you go wrong Mr. Martin: I’m absolutely no fan of Stalin and made the express point of claiming I accept the position that Stalin was intending to take over Europe and it would have been very unpleasant, to be sure. We all know what he did to Russia before the war.

          All I’m saying is, Hitler was having similar plans with Russia. And this is what you and others don’t like to hear.

        • Job creation was of course much better in Germany, but real wages seem to have actually fallen, just like in Britain, several sources seem to suggest.

          I agree Hitler ended reparations and had every right and duty to do so. He ended borrowing from international capital markets, imposed staunch capital exchange controls. But he still borrowed from German banks and the basic monetary system, a Reichsmark lent into circulation was not changed…… any rate, that’s what I think I have proven. My basic premise here at Real Currencies has always been that control of banking and the money supply and Usury are at the core of the Money Power. Change that and change everything. Don’t change that and don’t change anything.

          That’s all I’m saying.

          2013/10/1 Anthony Migchels

          > And that’s where you go wrong Mr. Martin: I’m absolutely no fan of Stalin > and made the express point of claiming I accept the position that Stalin > was intending to take over Europe and it would have been very unpleasant, > to be sure. We all know what he did to Russia before the war. > > All I’m saying is, Hitler was having similar plans with Russia. And this > is what you and others don’t like to hear. > >

          • in the “seem” context of wages in Germany “seem” to have fallen I would say its more likely that you “seem” to be sidestepping all issues here and pushing a lot of disinfo!

  10. m96 permalink

    Interest is only wrong if the money goes to a 3:rd party.. like a bank.. that did not create the wealth being loaned out, from the beginning. If I create a useful tool.. then loan it to somebody.. so that I myself cannot use it in that time frame.. then it’s fully ok if I not only get the tool back.. but a little more to compensate for the time I couldn’t use the tool.
    Are you all against this? I think it only becomes a problem if another person (the bank in our current system) gets in between the creator and the borrower and takes the extra compensation (interest) that the creator should have gotten..

    • I’m not too keen on usury in any form of capital, but the truth is, it would not be very relevant if there is interest-free credit. Rents on all fronts would collapse as they are all usury based.

      • m96 permalink

        Of course it would be optimal if we could have a more friendly society where we loan stuff to each other without asking for compensation all the time. But technically I don’t really see a problem with interest AS LONG AS the interest money goes to the person giving up something over a certain amount of time, that someone else then gets to use instead.
        I think the real problem today is that the interest payments goes to activities that don’t create wealth or desired behaviors. The banks create nothing or don’t give anything up of real value, but still gets to practice the usury. The interest is not being recirculated back to the right people. That I think is the main problem. Not sure that interest in itself is the problem..

        If credit is given me to start a new factory to make some useful product, I borrow something from society as a whole.. It somehow supports me while I build the factory. When the factory is finished I hopefully can repay this.. including a bit more (interest) to compensate for time. There is also a chance that the project fails.. and if that’s the case I have been supported by society though I have created nothing in return but a failed project. Shouldn’t that require some interest to be paid for the resources I have consumed/loaned, that someone else then had to be without, or at least wait for? Who would give me credit for this project if they will get nothing in return even if I succeed?

        • There are two issues:

          It does not seem ‘unfair’ to ask ‘a little’ interest. The problem is, that it’s the rich that lend and the poor that pay the interest. What seems a fair little bit of interest in one transaction, amounts to a up to 10 trillion wealth transfer per year today. From the poorest 80% to the richest 10%.

          The second issue is, that interest-free mutual credit facilities will give you interest-free credit.

          The point is that we don’t borrow from savers at banks: the banks does not loan the deposit, it creates new credit every time we borrow. By bookkeeping. This can be done at cost price, hence the fact that interest-free credit is basically a no brainer.

          • m96 permalink

            Yes I know. But the banks shouldn’t be allowed to create money in that way from the beginning. That makes it completely unfair to take interest away from people. I think they should only be allowed to lend money that other people have saved. At least if it’s a loan to buy something already existing, for pure consumption. I think creating new money could be done for production purposes though.. to create something new that didn’t exist before. The bank then should be allowed to give credit.. with interest.. but only if the bank risks its own money.. The interest that the bank collects in this case should go to the savers putting their money in the bank. The bank itself could take some sort of one time fee to cover administration costs and risk. The big base of money just circulating around in the economy for trading, of course should be interest free.
            Still.. money would have a tendency to end up amongst the people that already have.. I guess that’s the fundamental reason to why you don’t like interest.. Don’t know if there is a 100% foolproof way around that though..

          • Anthony, the sucking of the wealth of the working class, farmers and of the nation, out of the nation into the pockets of foreign international finance capital should be the main issue here, but like alex jones$tein you sidestep the issues and attempt to draw attention away from the fatcs…

        • Bourchakoun permalink

          Most credit in a truly free system would be interest free – real estate, state spending (if at all credit needed for that), basic starter interest free credit for everyone. As a matter of fact – anything collaterized should be easily interest free. However there is nothing wrong with lending your money at interest for business ventures or other projects which can either go very well or result in a potential loss of capital.

          However if you look at our banking system then you realize that just owning a major bank is like owning a money printing press. Be large and connected enough and you can lend to your own subsidaries and companies that you buy up over time. Effectively you put in a very small amount of capital and use the con-monetary system to multiply it 100fold for ridiculous costs. This is not in any way earned money – it is money created by a scam and should be illegal – Al Capone was right : “Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class.”

          • Exactly so !
            The root of the problem is a class social structure with the elite even of ill gotten gains sit at the top instituting methods to maintain the thrall class as debt slaves.
            Ina NATURAL social structure every level of members would be respected and the center tribal lodge/ national center would maintain a store house of seeds, goods and what monies they used for exchange and all would have equal access by presenting to the
            ROTATING three members the needs they have so the three members could consider the need even visiting the home/farm/place of business to make sure the claim was legitimate.
            whatever goods animals seeds were advanced were paid back when the recipient was able and it was community protocol he pay back extra as he was able so the next one who sought assistance could get his needs also met.

            HOW FAR we have come from a simple people oriented trade system!

            NO ethnocentric central banks no usury just Folk one grew up around who know one is capable and honorable and will pay back the lodge or national store house as soon as possible and is ethical enough to pay the extra never demanded but guidelines set for some percentage of the assistance.
            Part time labor to help with planting or harvesting s well as the busy market times when people were laying up for winter or preparing for hunting/fishing trips and the bounty was shared with the same lodge/ store house

            Only by divorcing the matrix and creating small communities which can trade among the similar groups can we rebuild such a natural way of doing business and availing of assistance when needed.

            All peoples has similar structures UNTIL those desert dwelling tribes unified under a banner of a chozen and began destroying peaceful villages and taking al the lands and goods unto themselves and wheb they ran out of peoples to slaughter in those desert climes they went up into white Europe and under the guise of religions did the same to our Ancestors
            wakey wakey people

            Hitler stood up against those ones but never saw how old and globally embedded was this monster till too late and by then his military was decimated and his people were once again hungry and homeless just as they had been rendered by the WW! and according to the PLAN to destroy all of white Europe and all Germanic descendants everywhere.

            Get into the real roots of wars
            it all falls into place once you SEE the roots.

          • Sophia, it’s good to see we have agreement here. So can you now understand I was upset to find out that Hitler in fact did not reform German money? And that usurious lending by the banks is what financed most of the National Socialist economy?

            Aren’t you curious to find out who owned the banks in that era?

          • Truthfully I dont see any agreement with your repetitous buzz phrases that have been worn out by the proselytizers for the capitalist agenda

            Hitler was not anti capitalize but he was most assuredly anti usury and gross profits for the few
            He did support sharing among all the people while allowing ethical capital to flourish as long as R&D were part of their corporate structure to keep creating progress and jobs.

            To wrap yourself in a crisis blanket of victim of those awful nazis is unsuitable for a public discussion

            MANY who write here are NOT nazis or white supremacists and you need to see the difference and not lump al you reject into one genie bottle.

            Many who write here are National Socialists
            remember where the very epithet nazi started or maybe you are from THAT school.

            Trying to tell me we have agreement is a verbal distraction. Have you studied NLP?


          • who owned the banks Anthony? you seem to have NOT ONE FACT on your side = ) I mean did you just make all of this up because you have no source…

          • Who owned the banks Mike?

          • Contrary to what many people have been led to believe, Lincoln did not “end” slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation. The proclamation only served to shift slavery into the hands of those who later vied for ownership of plantations and places of employment, subsequent to the Civil war. Bands of carpetbaggers and well-financed “Northerners” purchased plantations for a pittance, as many of the original holders of title were slaughtered in the conquest of the Confederate South.
            The Emancipation Proclamation was a mean and deceitful pile of political excrement, for it “released” the American Negro into an economy that provided absolutely no tools to allow them unescorted entry into a recovering society. The new owners of the American South simply redefined slavery under a new oligarchy – controlled more and more by international banking.
            100 years after Lincoln’s sick ploy, American people of color were still prohibited from even drinking from communal water fountains, or riding with dignity on a public transit. What kind of freedom was it really?
            150 years after the destruction of the Confederate South, 80% of the world’s cotton is produced in India, and our textile mills are permanently shuttered. Who won? Think about this.

          • Without the emacipation proclamation and the fact that Lincoln won the war to make it stand, Africans in this country would have never been able to make any of the the ensuing progress up until today. Martin Luther Kings sacraficial effort’s, and the many other civil reformers, would have not even been possible.

            The problem with many people is that they think reforms happen all at once. That is a recipe for indefinite inaction and failure. In the real world , if you want to reform anything that involves taking back power from evil institutions, it mean starting small and incrementally. Did the emancipation proclamation solve all the racial issues involving African and while slavery?
            Of course, not. Racism and indentured debt slavery are still problems we struggle with today. But because of the many small efforts made in the past at least we are closer to a resolution.

  11. @ Anthony Migchels
    Having read the comments here and after having respected you in the previous thread, even seeing you as open minded this piece you have written here is chock full of disinfo and
    twisted non facts
    As tho you have read and absorbed all the sleaze created to smera the NSDAP and AH.
    Reads like those hasbara trolls on utube write
    ignorant and uneducated even if in proper grammer.
    After I read your very long diatribe on the whole period and AH in particular I see you know only the allies versions of actions that did happen, so sorry for that as I lost respect for you and do think you are either deliberatley doing a hit on AH and the period of the NSDAP
    or this whole exercise since you put up the first article was ALL all of it a ruse, a baited trap to get people to defend so you could then write the current post that is almost totally wrong in all your statements.

    I can only suggest to you that you LEARN what really went on and who did what and who originated which so you dont look the fool to amateur people like me who have studied for many years and those exceptional people the Revisionists who did the digging and research to uncover the truth in all these things and those terriffic utube warriors who make films showing us the results of so many years of research

    I maintain that IF you had studied any of such findings you could not have written this piece

    OR you are a sharp shill

    OR you see how many responses you can get when u use Adolph Hitler as the chum and bait

    what ever our one or several reasons you step in some thick stuff when you denigrate the Greatest Statesman of the 20th Century

    SO to help you on your way to truth should you choose to look at it
    I give you this fine film and in separate post the list from the page so you can follow up if that isnt too demanding of your mental flexibility.

    Wishing you well and good health in expecting you to actually get informed
    I am Sophia Heidler and you can find ONE of my channels by typing in search
    youtube user/SophiaH88


    Hitler’s War?: What the Historians Neglect to Mention.

    Published on Aug 26, 2012
    Hitler’s War?: What the Historians Neglect to Mention. An English translation of “Hitlers Krieg? Was Guido Knopp Verschweigt” by Alphart Geyer (2009).

    This is a 96 minute long “Made in Germany” underground documentary film. It’s the first documentary ever to unabashedly explain from the German perspective, how World War II really began, and the many efforts that were made by Hitler to avoid it, and to establish a lasting, viable and mutually acceptable peace, but how he was ultimately left with no choice but to invade Poland. It documents many facts that have been deliberately left out of the “official narrative” as presented by the victorious Allies, which we have all been taught since 1945, and which Germans especially have been constantly reminded of since the war ended; with the blame entirely upon Germany’s shoulders. Many of the claims of the Allies that have been widely accepted as fact are refuted here as patently untrue, distorted, or ignored completely.

    The film is largely based upon a book entitled “Der Krieg der viele Väter hatte” by German author and historian, Gerd Schulze Rhonhof His website is called “vorkriegsgeschichte (English: The War that had Many Fathers) and “Ein unvermeidlicher Krieg? — Der Weg zum 1. September 1939” (An Unavoidable War – The Path to September 1st, 1939). Rhonhof is a former high-ranking, German military officer (Brigadier General in the Panzer Division) who has done, as any honest historian should, his own deep research in the war archives, and has been assisted many other historians. His website is (pre-war history) which contains all of his documentation. His books and assertions, not surprisingly, have not been so well received by many politicians, academia, the Left, and the mainstream media.

    The making of this film seems to have been prompted primarily by some comments made by Chancellor Angela Merkel, speaking to a live audience and the various Heads of State from many nations, gathered at a ceremony in Danzig in 2009, to remember Hitler’s (allegedly) senseless and unprovoked attack on Poland, paying respects to the Polish victims on behalf of Germany, and as always, expressing gratitude to the Allies, for their sacrifices in the victory over National Socialism. Merkel, like all other German chancellors since the end of World War II, accepted full responsibility and with it, the perpetual guilt for the entire war on behalf of all Germans, and unquestioningly accepted, again: the villain role ascribed to National Socialist Germany by the victors, which many Germans, to this day, deeply resent, yet have silently endured it all of their lives. Merkel’s comments, however, struck a raw nerve for many Germans who know “the rest of the story”.

    “Hitler’s War” is also a sharp rebuke to well known German “journalist”, author, filmmaker and commentator Guido Knopp (to whom the original film title actually refers), and who many Germans regard as “Uncle Guido” (in the English sense of an “Uncle Tom”), as he has a reputation for being a domestic Propaganda Minister for the World War II Allies, regarding the Third Reich and National Socialism. For he, like Merkel and the others, continues to ignore many facts, and only dutifully reminds Germans of the guilt of their forefathers (and by extension, their own “inherited” guilt), based upon a highly sanitized “official version” of history.

    There are always two sides to every story, and now the Germans are finally telling theirs. This film is a “must see” for anyone with a sense of justice, honour, fairness and dignity, who have respect for ALL of the victims of World War II (not merely the “politically correct” ones) and who are interested in an accurate account of history. Indeed, if we are to learn from history, and not be doomed to repeat it, then we must also have a fair and accurate account from which to draw our conclusions and upon which to make decisions in the present, and for our future.

    This film has broken through the 60+ year old taboos. Truth has breached the barbed-wire fences of “political correctness”, and is making a desperate run for it’s life.

    Translation, narration, sound mixing, over-dubbing of the original soundtrack by justice4germans (2011)

    Original German version:


    • Anthony Migchels
      here are the links from CAP’s channel
      perhaps you might peruse some of them and get a real look at the history of the era of the NSDAP

      here is list of links that will show you truth if you should care to get any that isnt written by those allies who created WW1 and WW2

      • Sophiah8says, clearly I have been insufficiently clear about revisionism’s upsides. I’m sorry to must come to this conclusion. It’s clear people are a little disturbed I seem to attack Hitler unfairly.

        I’ve studied many of the links you suggest. I gained much from them. I’m just saying there is more to it than the Revisionsts suggest and they are blinded to Hitler’s downsides. And he had a clearly genocidal agenda, while he did not make good on his anti-usury message before coming to power. Explaining the rape of Russia away with the idea that Stalin wanted to attack too just doesn’t cut it with me. They were two wild dogs and they would have bitten each other one way or another.

        Also, and this is the crucial point: he did make the country more independent from international banking, but domestic banking continued to control German money. MEFO’s did a good job, but did not fundamentally reform German money and the recovery of the economy WAS mainly aimed at building a powerful army.

        • First you have not delved deeply into the whole phase of the rise of the NSDAP
          ( I prefer we use the real labels as in NSDAP and National Socialists not the jew created epithet nazi ) and the role AH was given in creating its success as in viewing the video I posted .
          Secondly I personally believe you are shilling for the not so hidden “besmirch Hitler at all venues” cabal.
          But if that is the case you gain nothing by repeating your opinions and relying on old saws of anti Hitler nonsense that have so often been debunked.

          When you use makow the epitiome of jewishness as your idol as you show in your own
          list of most respected people on this blog you lose cred with those who have done much research into the phase of the NSDAP in Germany.

          You could look into Eustace Mullins claim that Hitler was set up from the beginning to be the light to the people so the WW2 could be made to happen exactly the same as the exactly same people did to get WW1 started and BOTH of these wars were for ONE purpose, to genocided the best and brightest of Germany’s youth, in short GENOCIDE against the German Folk and , IMV, it is still going on in America today by the war on WHITE males as the largest ethnic population here is still German in origin and it is those very Germanic folk who have the intelligence, courage, and determination to survive that are the greatest threat to the progress of exactly those same ones who start all wars and use American white youth ot play targets for the newest military toys.

          Now as to your disinfo re the horrible Hitler who was a monster wanting to attack Russia
          no you cant get away with that

          Hitler wanted and needed peace to rebuild Germany. All the actiins andplanse of Hitler and the NSDAP show that peace and rebuilding was the agenda
          SO Hitler who was still naieve about other European descended peoples intentions as in Churchill and FDR , one a full jew and the other a half jew and BOTH as zionist as they come, you ignore the ‘ Ribbentrop Pact’ Hitler agreed to in good faith and Stalin was already building a huge tank force along the border for two hundred miles or more paid for by American taxes under the ” Lend Lease” arrangement even thos MOST Americans did not hate Germany and as I was a little kid when Hitler was speaking up about what HE saw in Germany I remember well many Americans saying ” we should not let the war monger in the WH manipulate us into ANOTHER war for the Internatinal Bankers. Yes this talk was already prevalent in many American homes and when men met to talk politics as my Grandfather and his buds did often on the front porch at end of day or a Saturday chat time and sometimes a buddy or two with their wives visited for supper and after we all sat out on the porch and the chat was very supportive of what Hitler is doing in Germany and it is none of Americas business but we needed one like him here to clean up the government corruptions. here.
          This is first hand knowledge not what a disinfo agent writes to guide opinions.

          When intelligence told Hitler that Stalin used the pact to hide his plan to roll into Europe thru Germany by lulling Hitler to think the pact held meaning Hitler was in a bind and had NO CHOICE but to implement a preemptive strike at the amassed forced on hit borders

          this is not the actions of the horrible maniac you want people to see but the logical reaction to discovering he was about to be destroyed by a huge allies funded force so as to open the path to a bolshevik take over of all Europe. You may go on and on with
          your repeating of old lies and twisted facts that go to suit a HATE for HITLER but in the end you and those you work for will be seen as global destroyers not ever having pushed for peace or TRUTH.

          WHEN and If you ever actually study the whole of the two world wars you will see clearly they were BOTH created to remove a whole FOLK by destroying Germanys
          best as in genocide of those best to clear the way for global zionist rule.

          Have a read of Viktor Suvarov a Russian who defected and wrote many books describing what was really going on.

          Have a read of Joachim Hoffmann’s
          “Stalins War of Extermination 1941-1945”

          you can find here:

          The evidence as purported by the best/ real Revisionists is irrefutable
          Repeating old disproven rants of the controlled info zion cabal is not suiting you
          and will only drive away people who have dug into real history and give you the repute of a shill.
          One asks why go on with this theater you conduct trying to present Hitler as a monster except so many of us have seen this exactly same old pattern so often run by exactly the same shill presenters many of us know full well wht you perisit in posting disinfo and even outright lies

          Good luck to you

          Sedem das Seine.


        • Anthony is one hell of a jew propagandist Ill give him that, when one would expect a break or argument he keeps the propaganda rolling, trying to bring you back to string you along some more, what trade do you practice Anthony? Im a stainless steel worker, what about you? stock exchange Bolshevik? unearned income collector?

    • Sophia gerd schullze-ronhof wrote the book “the war that had many fathers” its available in English and I recommend it highly!

  12. Mr. Migchels:
    The fundamental problem with your first Essay is it contains a plethora of historical/factual errors. I question your assumptions because you fail to use correct sources. For instance why not use original sources such as Schacht’s books? The problem with your second Essay, is you deflect and get into the war, which has NOTHING to do with the Pre-War, or early Economic Policies. Your omission of key events and data is interesting to say the least. You are also wrong abut the history of German currencies. My understanding from Mr. Erb, we will be discussing this on October 20th on his Program I look forward to this. You are wrong about the war and you are wrong about the Economic Policies, especially regarding your assumption that the National Socialist Economic Miracle was based on Re-Arming, that is false. You also omit Schacht’s replacement by Walther Funk, a Feder Protege, and the implementation of the 4-Year Plan. You fail to address the lack of Usury in German consumer Finance and the lack of Usury in German Public Financing. As to your harping on “Private Banks financing the German War Machine”, check your data and sources. NO “Private Banks financed” the German War effort. The fundamental problem with your arguments is you fail to remain on topic and address specifics. One minute you are talking Schacht, then you say Feder was purged, which he was not, then you opine about so called atrocities in the Ukraine. One cannot look at the Third Reich 1933-1940 in the same manner as one looks at the Third Reich 1941-45. Finally Schacht carried very little political influence and was himself dismissed. His position did NOT carry the day as a matter of economic policy.

    • I understand, I take your point about my ‘digressing’ about the war, but I wanted to address a general theme: overrating Hitler and his policies and turning a blind eye to some bad weak spots.

      I clearly stated that the German national debt (which was borrowed at interest from domestic capital markets) was 18 billion. I quoted Nathan, it’s all in there.

      I try to make a point of agreeing with much of Revisionism. I AM saying it’s going overboard. On several fronts. HItler was a dangerous man, who cost the lives of many. It is not like they said, but HItler was not too shocking for the Money Power and in fact the whole episode, like it or not, ended in a way that must have delighted the Money Power beyond even their craziest dreams.

      • Anthony, long day of working and floating the welfare state which in itself is a brilliant jewish program of 1 the destruction of the working class element in society 2 the promotion of class warfare 3 the deliberate economic destruction of the country and 4 the theft of the wealth of the productive labor of the working man and the nation to fraudulent interest charges on fraudulent national debts…

        So back to the issue, we had the opportunity to exchange facts (my thesis) with total and complete propaganda (your thesis.) So, having read what I could stomach of your avalanche of complete garbage, I would like to know how you can make a claim but yet admit that you have not even read one of the many well documented and detailed publications on the breaking of interest servitude program that was embraced by the nsDAP? Not only that, but you seem completely ignorant of the statements of Loyd George praising Hitlers great social and economic revival and others like him including Winston Churchill…

        American Ambassador William C Bullitt clearly stated to Poland on several occasions from 1933 up until the Polish invasion and subsequent German response in Spetember of 1939, that Poland should continue to do absolutely anything and everything possible to provoke Hiter into a war and that Poland would have American backing, Roosevelt was heavily involved in this as well. This culminated in 35 sorties of Polish troops across the border and into Germany on August 31st 1939…

        War with Germany was due in a major way to their refusal to borrow money from International Finance Capital. In 1938, Bernard Baruch told General Marshall “we are going to lick that fellow Hitler, he isn’t going to get away with it” in a conversation regarding Hitler’s refusal to borrow money from International finance capital.

        Winston Churchill in “thoughts and adventures” published in 1932 speaks of “All the horrors of the first four years of ww1 were but a prelude to what the fifth year would have brought, massive civilian casualties and starvation. The deliberate targeting of the civilian population, the war of 1919 we never fought, but the plans remain and death stands at the ready.”

        You seem to be very confused about many things, one of which is the myth refuted by many professors like Werner Masser that Adolf Hitler was funded by any banking institutions at all, you have made quite a claim here and have offered absolutely nothing in the way of evidence or sources (even pathetic sources.) Hitler and his programs were funded by the individual German citizen to a very large extent. If you are relying on idiotic bush/nazi brown brothers harriman bs you should come up with a better story line. You claim that you used the jewish virtual library because one’s adversary is reliable? How could you possibly be doing honest research while refusing to even briefly read even 1 original source on this issue? You make great use of the adversaries wartime propaganda, even though that adversary has a financial incentive to make ridiculous claims… Meanwhile you have not read even one National Socialist publication! How exactly can you pretend not only to be an authority but to even say anything at all about the subject at hand when you have not even read or studied anything at all from the detailed German records and publications! To me that is absolutely ridiculous! Your essay which is completely unsourced contains cruel wartime propaganda selectively, not only have you failed to even read one original German source, you are ignoring British and American original sources! Most devastating of all is the original French sources in great numbers that praise the economic anti usury revival of the German Nation under Adolf Hitler, Gottfried Feder and Walther Funk(protégé of Gottfried Feder and co formulator/researcher and writer of at least one of Feder’s works…

        A note on anti usury ideology: anti usury ideology is very confused and maligned. The idea of opposing usury rests heavily on the ending of any and all programs drawing the National Wealth of a country into foreign and private hands. The concept of das volksgemeinschaft vor eigennutz is completely alien to you, I draw that conclusion based on your lack of anger at being continuously robbed by parasites collecting Unearned Income. I would assume that you have no idea of the hard work ethic of most people who drift toward the Nationalist social and economic ideology. The pride of the worker and outrage at being robbed continuously: on a personal level, also as a national citizen of a corrupt welfare state, as a consumer and earner for the family who’s income is dwindling while inflation runs rampant and our money is handed to foreigners in an attempt to facilitate the “class war.” You have to take into account what anti usury actually stands for and what creates such ideology…

        There are so many anti Hitler German and French contemporary historians who when the time came in 1933 – 1935 admitted what a miracle Hitler had performed through the complete destruction of International Theft From the Nation due to USURY, Ill post that for you later on, I have to be back at work in a few hours to support all the jews and the foreigners that are brought in to create the CLASS WAR.

        It is so important to recognize what polar opposites Soviet Socialism and German National Socialism were, besides international based theft from the nation but in particular the German promotion of class co operation for the benefit of the nation and individual as opposed to the jewish soviet or jewishj controlled American promotion of the class struggle for the benefit of the banker, speculator and Weimar Hollyood pornographer and poisoner of the youth! You have a lot to learn Anthony…

        I cant believe that you would attempt such a fabrication of the truth with the documented source materials so easily available which prove you to be 100% WRONG!

        1. The functional role of money and credit in our economy
        2. Leading national socialists to the bank question
        3. Economic management in the third reich

        I cant believe you would waste the time to write this frivolous article without reading this stuff…

        • You’re wrong Mike. I don’t blame you, you don’t know me. But you can check the interest-free economics page and you will see that very few have done more to expose the wrongness of Usury and unearned income.

          The fight against Usury is what I’m all about.

          I have often claimed that the Nazi experiment was much maligned because of its anti-usury stance.

          And don’t worry: I’ve read just about everything I could get my hands on in the Revisionist library over the last ten years or so, I’ve seen all Hitler’s major speeches and a fair bit of Feder’s texts. But I’ve also learned that there is a difference between words and actions and this is the case with Hitler also.

          A closer look at the facts show that the idea of Nazi anti-usury activism was mainly propaganda getting Hitler to power. When the Nazi left was decapitated in the night of the long knives, Feder was sidelined. It was Schacht who was to organize the Nazi economy and lest we forget, Hitler appointed him March 17th 1933, only weeks after coming to power.

          There is strong evidence, that Hitler’s capitalist backers simply didn’t stomach Feder’s hard core anti usury stance and Hitler appeased them by making Schacht his financial man.

          When we look at how the Nazi economy was actually financed, we see that domestic German banks continued to print the Reichsmark as an interest-bearing debt to them.

          The State made sure it had virtually sole access to domestic capital markets, so it could completely control spending in the economy. But it did pay interest over its debts. Also to the German middle class who lent to the State and were encouraged to lend only to the State (instead of, for instance, speculating at the Stock Market, which was booming in the Hitler years).

          I’ll be the first to grant that the Nazi financial system was in many ways superior to what was common in those days. On the other hand, it was much less superior than it would have been, should Feder have got his way, although it seems Feder was more eloquent in describing the problem than in creating solutions.

          Compared to the monetary reform proposals that were circulating throughout the world at the time, most notably Douglas’ Social Credit ideas, but also others, the NSDAP program was simply disappointing.

          The key ‘innovation’ was the MEFO bills, it were those that solved the lack of liquidity in the economy and created the boom of the thirties. But Bills of Exchange, similar to these MEFO bills were already circulated by the Weimar’s Reichsbank chief Luther.

          I state again: Hitler did NOT solve Usury, although ending reparations and loans to international banks certainly improved the situation. What he (or better, Schacht) DID do was solve the depression, which was caused, as always, by deflation, not Usury perse. Schacht, through the MEFO bills, made sure money scarcity ended and THIS ended the depression, not the end of Usury.

          • And then this, and this is a very fundamental point:
            “The concept of das volksgemeinschaft vor eigennutz” of which you claim I know nothing.

            The end of Usury is indeed all about ‘eigennutz’. But for whom? The State? Or the Commoner?

            That’s the whole key issue. National Socialism is all about the State! It is said the State IS the people. How naive.

            End Usury by giving the commoner interest-free credit. Close the banks and open up interest-free credit facilities.

            The common won’t go to war. The State goes to war.

          • In this context eigennutz means self, that google translator doesn’t work very well does it? but yet we should believe that you know anything at all about an entirely more complex issue? I mean if you cant get one word right and you have never read a single word of the original sources than why in the hell would anything you say carry any weight at all? That’s assuming that you are using eigennutz in the context of interest correct? It means self, so you just said “usury is all about self but for who???”…

          • the Nazi left wasn’t decapitated in the night of the long knives, there wasn’t a Nazi left, there was a communist plot and hitlers generals in the military demanded that he act, you are so full of jewish propaganda to keep us enslaved that it shows in your picture… bigtime! by the way, feder was not sidelined, he was older and sick, his protégé and co author of some of the usury ideology was put in in his place, shows you don’t know a fucking thing about what you right about… next you will pretend to speak german or that you have read any of feders works… like the 3 I posted which you have never even heard of!

          • You make too many assumptions my friend. I speak German reasonably well and can well understand quotes as you left. I come in Germany often, as I live only a few miles from the German border, in Arnhem, Holland.

          • was ist mammonismus?

          • Brownhawk permalink

            Right Anthony. The whole KEY issue is that National Socialism is all about the State.

            Hitler once pondered, he actually SAID (and there may be some slight paraphrasing here), “What are the volk but the State? The volk die, but the State lives on.”

            Is this not twisted logic, Mike Strobach, et al? Have you National Socialists REALLY stopped to consider the ramifications for this type of mindset? At least the American founding fathers recognized that when all is said and done it is the INDIVIDUAL that is sovereign, not some inevitable arbitrariness called the “State”.

          • About Churchill: good quote. That man was an insane, totally depraved maniac.

            About Poland: all too true. Hitler made a very bad, lethal mistake in falling for that trap. I call it arrogant. He had the moral high ground in 1939, but he was so eager to land a few punches he lost it and attacked. He should NEVER have done that. Germany paid a mortal price for it: war with Britain.

            It’s easy to criticize with hindsight, I understand that. But I’m looking for answers to get rid of the Money Power. And fighting them is not going to work. If anything, Hitler showed that with a vengeance.

          • Arrogance caused the Germans to attack Poland?

            Jesus, Anthony.

            Stick to your day job where you have some semblance of knowledge before you destroy your credibility in that area.

          • imagine the anger of someone who is schlesien and ostpreussen…

          • From the point of view that it got him a war with Britain, attacking Poland was a very foolish thing to do BMan. Very foolish indeed.

            Probably the biggest mistake of his entire career.

          • thinking exactly like a jew Anthony, not concerned for your brothers, only concerned for your self, its a damn jewish disease and you seem to have picked it up! e need to start thinking in terms of whats right not whats the gain… this is why you will never understand the ideology, you see in it only what can bring you gain…

          • kingedward1wasright1290 permalink

            The King’s Speech – George VI’s address to the British people after Britain declared war on Germany, written at least nine days before Hitler invaded Poland, the supposed only reason that Britain declared war!

            The King read the speech over radio on Sept. 3, 1939, but the second draft for it is dated August 25, 1939, seven days earlier. This dated, typewritten draft came to light in the personal papers of it’s author, Harold Vale Rhodes, after his death in 1970. It was put up for sale at a Southeby’s auction on Dec. 10, 2013. That’s why we are able to see it.


          • you think Anthony actually works? like productive labor? wtf…

          • Bman
            The day job comment is very clever, I see it on football sites all the time, are you an Ole Miss or Mississippi State fan?

          • Churchill was certainly worse than insane according to David Irving.\

  13. anthony you clearly stated that you have not read any of the german works which documented all of this,you than clearly stated that this information is not documented, which it is ,in plain german, so after having admitted basically that you don’t know shit, why are you even writing about a subject which you didn’t even care to find out was well documented? I posted some of the siurces for you to get at your local university, read the actual record and than talk to us

    • Where have I ‘clearly stated that I have read any of the german works’?

      Why are you continuing to provide Feder links? I admire Feder. One of the basic premises of the original article on Hitler’s Finances was that Feder was sidelined and it were not his, but Schacht’s ideas that were implemented. And Schacht, being an archetypal Money Power man continued banking as it was and borrowed from them to finance the war effort. German debt stood at 18 billion in 1939 and interest was paid over this debt.

  14. Bourchakoun permalink

    Excellent article Anthony – once again you have bridged a few oceans of confusion and scattered knowledge. Good work!

  15. If the participants in this discussion could do anything they wanted to fix the world’s financial condition, what would that be? By “fix” I mean alter the world monetary framework to the point where the greatest number of human beings on Earth would see improvements in living conditions, and be able to live better lives.
    Thank you.

    • Nationalize the banks, freeze all interest payments, cancel all derivatives and funny financial products, honor only the real debts (mortgages, business loans, consumer loans, national debt), index the volume of money and give out only as many new loans as are being paid off.

      That should fix things.

      • Anthony Wrote:

        “There is this tendency to think that the problem is that banking, and especially central banking, is private, and that all will be solved if the State takes over. The fundamental mistake underlying this notion is the idea that the State is the Commonwealth or at least represents the public.

        Personally, I’m completely cured of that idea. The problem of money and tyranny is NOT going to be solved by having the State take control. Most certainly not if the State does not provide interest-free credit, not just for itself, but also for the commoner, because the key problem is centralization of power and Usury is the ultimate centralizer of power. Capitalism is the concentration of power in private hands, the Plutocracy. But the Plutocracy itself intends to consolidate this power in State hands: they want World Government and the Protocols explain this all too well. Marxism is their tool in the Public vs. Private dialectic, showing they have absolutely no problems consolidating power in State hands. The question is always the same; ‘who owns the State’? And the answer is always the same too: the Plutocracy.”

        “Nationalize the banks, freeze all interest payments, cancel all derivatives and funny financial products, honor only the real debts (mortgages, business loans, consumer loans, national debt), index the volume of money and give out only as many new loans as are being paid off.
        That should fix things.”

        First of all, let’s at least attempt cite some differences that should truly exist between what a state should be and what it has morphed into in these latter days. After all, of the three thousand year history chronicling the development of Western thinking, we can trace our roots to four primary locations: Ancient Israel, Greece, Rome and British Isles. These roots finally culminated in an American Constitution with the finest crafted founding documentation ever. None of these documents stood alone. Every clause and phrase in them had a predecessor upon which to build. ‘Consent of the governed’, ‘Promote the General Welfare’, ‘Provide for the Common Defense’, ‘Habeas Corpus’, ‘Life-Liberty and Property Protection’, and the family’s home as sacred ground upon which no legal authority could violate without probable cause and due process of law. All these inviolable rights are summarily being ignored today for a simple reason: The symbiosis existing between the money creating international banking cartels and a corporatocracy that is both subservient to and is owned by these internationalist bankers. But this symbiosis just mentioned does not constitute the only reach that they have. They also make it so that any – who aspire to do right with a political agenda that would actually implement the plain intent of the American Constitution – will have no financial support as they near the higher offices at the state and national levels.

        So the dilemma Anthony proposes above, that he is not deluded into believing the State should take over the economy is correct with governments acting today only as arms of the money power and corporatocracy, is definitely a wise and cautious approach. But what if usury were completely abolished as he notes in the second paragraph? Also, it would take more than just the abolition of usury. Privately created money that expands and contracts the money supply also works for the benefit of just those which are able to control it. Would the banking cartels, corporatocracy and puppet governments exist in their present positions of absolute economic control stripped of these two powers?

        I say you are all arguing about side issues (even though this analysis is essential to understand how we got to this point in history) that do not address the root of the evil empire’s power. The real power comes from the ability to create money and then also charge interest for it’s use.

        Take for instance the bozo who keeps bringing up Rothbard. Even North is anti-Christian; but he is too stupid to see the handwriting on the wall. Whether anyone has gold or silver or platinum, it doesn’t give them the right to create some bills of credit or notes and then issue them into the public’s currency stream as loans at interest. Their precious stays locked up in a vault never at risk. The only things at risk while their notes circulate are the collateral the borrowers put up in all of these loan transactions. Meanwhile, prices of goods and services always include in them the usury that is required on agro/industrial loans which fund production. Who, most, does this usury affect? It affects those who can least afford to pay more than the products and services are actually worth.

        If usury was abolished altogether, if a national credit office is established as the only institution allowed to create money – to pay for government’s and its own expenditures, for infrastructure, for police and fire protection, for the criminal justice system, for perhaps even a national pension plan, and finally to lend its money creations interest free to all – then perhaps the money power, the corporatocracy and the puppet government would evanesce.

        All these points, notwithstanding, it becomes obvious that the ‘shell spinoff corporations with anonymous owners’ under the auspices of ‘venture capitalists’ would no longer have easy access to venture capital that is actually created out of nothing money by their parent owners, the banks. Venture capital would then truly be at risk, and therefore may deserve some return on investment.

        Anthony’s one line solution previously also had some sage advice that should be a part of the solution. But I question whether or not (mortgages, business loans, consumer loans, national debt) are real debts. Banks did not have this money to lend with to begin with. They created it out of nothing. Those who bought T-Bonds with real money that they possessed of course may be entitled to recompense of the principal. Every case must be addressed individually on the basis of exactly how the money they invested was obtained.

        Luke 6: 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

        Daniel S. Krynicki

    • execute all politicians! confine jews to concentration camps, severely punish the crime of anti nationalism and seek out the traitors among us who are the real enemy and coerce them to fight us in single combat to the death!

    • Hello Peacemaker: Nah. Let us continually enter into the teeth of the financial dragon, then continue to accuse our leaders of monetary ineptitude. The failure of “humanity” is that individuals allow inhumanity to exist. A friend of mine once noted that you can’t kill ideas with guns, you need better ideas. Like: Let’s learn how to grow really good food, than make sure everyone has some of it to eat! Too simple a concept I guess…

      Finding a peaceful solution would eliminate the trauma of existence, so lets supply one another with weapons and social poisons just for the thrill and excitement of it all. I know I am well off topic here, but reading the thread of comments on this page makes one quite dizzy.

      The tragedy of finance is that it fails to perform even the most rudimentary functions of the survival objective. It is no longer survival of the fittest, but survival of the unfit to ensure common extinction. Let’s all accept the fact that “usury” is simply a tool for the enslavement of the masses, and that the masses have done absolutely nothing to eliminate it’s usefulness as a tool of enslavement… Peace.

  16. Hello Anthony,

    I see when one attempts to show how the money power is behind just about everything today, he opens up a can of worms in which those not erudite on financial history are unable to comprehend without having put all the circumstantial pieces in place. They miss most of the important places in your essay where you actually identified these pieces. The money power has complete control becaues they either create or do not create the money arbitrarily to suit their own selfish purposes and collect usury for its use. They create every bit that exists except for those Islamic countries that forbid usury.

    Attempting to educate others on this is a formidible task. And I’m getting these many responses delivered to my inbox. I’m glad to see it has led some to investigating into the links you provided.

    It’s also sad to see that some are still hung up on the anti-Christian Rothbard. He may indeed have some eloquent passages in his writings, but he was completely blinded about usury and money creation, both of which he was willing participant in. This was and is no better than collusion with the devil.

    Daniel S. Krynicki

  17. anthony what you are saying is still absolutely false, you keep jumping around with the “hate germans they are all evil nazis” bs, what about the polish atrocities against the german minority in the german corridor and the first 6 concentration camps being built by poland to house germans? And no, there was no bank holding power behind the german government, the germans were holding power over the bank and currency making labor the master not money, you still must admit that you have never read any oft he german sources on any of this and are just basically making it up as you go along and accepting all the bs jewish propaganda stories…

  18. >>>>> what source do you recommend to study Nazi money?
    In two, windfull articles, you (and everyone else) managed not to write anything on the finances of Germany between 1933 and 1941; which should have been the content (neither you, nor your mentor dares to go near actual research); perhaps, we should request the resident expert on Hitler finances, to apply her immense knowledge, and write her next article for the New York Times on National Socialist economics…….. (btw, why did you put me on her mailing list?)

    How was Stalin’s economy and war machine financed ? where did he get his sovereign-credit-based, interest- and debt-free, greenbacks, to build factories, power plants, still mills ? (no body wants to research and study that subject, either)

    >>>>> In all this, Hitler was part of the problem and not the solution.
    No; Stalin was the problem, Hitler was the solution (and problem was solved; now live with it…..)


    a third Bank of the United States is highly necessary and proper to the establishment and maintenance of a sound currency, and for the cheap and safe collection, keeping, and disbursing of the public revenue. —Abraham Lincoln

    The opposite of “legal tender” is lawful money. According to Scripture, lawful money has intrinsic value, like gold, silver, corn, wheat, honey, beans, oil.

    Abraham Lincoln:—
    I know of none which promises so certain results as the organization of banking associations.  To such associations the Government might furnish circulating notes, on the security of United States bonds.  These notes, being convertible always into coin, would at once protect labor.

    • Stalins money came from jewish financiers in new York, hitlers money came from the german people and creative labour, simple, there is no big complicated explanation, if you eliminate greedy jews from stealing the wealth of the working class the economy immediately booms like in Hungary today

      Anthony will not touch that one or the united states notes either

      • Hahahahahaha, you fell for that AFP garbage piece about Hungarian Debt Free money? Not surprising, I guess. Some greenhorn managed to bypass the experienced editors there and it got published. A sorry slip: it really made the rounds, but if you really understand the importance of such an event, a central European nation all of the sudden printing its own money, you would have checked the facts. And the facts are, that the Hungarian Forint is lent into existence, at interest, through fractional reserve banking up to this very day. Not unlike the Reichsmark, I may add.

        The Hungarians paid off their debt to the IMF and kicked their sorry asses out of the country. They also will not be joining the Euro. Good news, but not quite debt free money.

        • CaperAsh permalink

          Anthony, am not up to speed on finance. Basic questions: am I right that any country with ‘national debt’ is beholden to the bad type of usury? The example I have in mind, which perhaps is not precise enough, is the US (like most Western developed nations) has to pay just about all its tax receipts each year to its creditors – the banking cartel – meaning that all annual expenditures have to be funded with further credit. To me, that is bad usury in the sense that a small group of leeches are sucking the blood out of the host in a way that ultimately undermines its health. To me, getting rid of that system is the single most important political change that needs to be effected, and anything else tried without this is a big waste of time.

          And what sort of ‘national debt’ would be healthy? Or is it always a sign that something is off?

          Now, did 1930’s Germany have a same, similar or altogether different system? It seems you are arguing that basically they had the same usury-based system but just directed the credit more skilfully in order to turn the depression around. I don’t think you quite spelled it out clearly, or maybe I am just too dense to understand what you wrote.

          Finally, it seems to me that 1930’s Germany was economically vibrant, and not just compared to the disastrous 20’s but by any standards. Was this basically the same as 1950’s America or are there some differences as to how he did it? My impression is that there are some substantive differences, many of them along the lines which is relatively few fans articulate on this thread and elsewhere. You say it was just a volume/velocity thing by Schacht. Is it really that simple?

          • Well, basically I’ve been maintaining that the problem is not debt, but interest. If a government wants to provide a money supply with interest-free credit, than there is no problem if it takes some of the ‘debt’ (which would be to itself and needn’t ever be paid off, although it could, basically meaning Govt was taking money out of circulation).

            I didn’t stress the point too clearly in the original article, because it was not really fully clear to me at the time, but yes: it seems the German monetary system during the NS years was basically banker based fractional reserve banking + interest. The State was the main borrower on capital markets. The Stock Market also boomed with a vengeance, that’s also not unimportant. All in all the market was heavily regulated, but not interest free.

            The thing that improved the situation so greatly were the MEFO Bills: they added extra liquidity to a deflated money supply and this is what solved the depression. The post war western boom was similar in the sense that it was the (temporarily) solved money scarcity was solved with a major inflation. Ie: volume was solved. The MEFO bills were interest free, for as far as I’ve been able to establish, although even there there is ambiguity, but they would have come with a discount, which is a percentage the bank takes for handling them. This is also a lucrative business for banks.

            It does seem it was that simple CaperAsh, but the fact is that very little research has been done into this kind of monetary history, and not only for the NS period, so I’m not betting my life on it.

        • That wasn’t from AFP? the video was from Russia Today, what did AFP say that you are referring to? I got my information from several European news outlets, you are still failing to get the big picture, the ending of false interest charges of the nation by supra national finance capital.

  19. Anthony, thanks for two interesting articles on the economic policies of the NSDAP. The comments and exchanges have been excellent – I’ve learned a lot following the links, videos, etc.

    One thing that still escapes me is what exactly did the NSDAP do to end usury? And to be clear, by usury I mean the end of interest charges. I think this question is front and center in Anthony’s article.

    No doubt, they prioritized full employment and unlike the US; they quickly rebounded from the depression and they are lauded for this by many historians and economists like Henry C.K. Liu, and John Kenneth Galbraith (“By late 1935, unemployment was at an end in Germany”).

    Can anyone cite specific examples where interest charges were eliminated by the NSDAP?

    Rodney King said in the radio interview that Germans were given interest free mortgages, and if they had children, some of the principal owed was eliminated. Can anyone substantiate that this is true and quantify how many of these mortgages were actually written?

    Anthony wrote: “And this is why it is so important to understand that the Reichsmark was created by the banks through fractional reserve banking, as an interest-bearing debt to them.”

    I suggest that there is nothing wrong with “fractional lending” – in fact, it is a great concept. By “factional” I take you to mean that at least much of the money is created on the spot. This is a good thing and I would suggest that in actuality, 100% (not just a fraction) of the money loaned by banks is created on the spot as account entrees (asset and liability).

    The alternative is to only lend existing money. Those with extra money lend to those who need money and rightfully, the lender expects a profitable return for their risk and inconvenience.

    People with adequate credit ability and collateral, should be able to have new money created through loans. They should not be required to beg or borrow money from the lending class.

    In application, “fractional lending” means that commercial banks must maintain a prescribed percentage of capital on their books so that they can handle a certain amount of loan defaults (risk management) and to clear transactions. This is good but we should not use the deposits of others to back loans – we should instead require that the borrower pay for default insurance to protect the system. BTW, I’m talking about commercial banks which operate entirely different than investment banks. I don’t want to get off topic, but the investment banks will eventually put commercial banks out of business. They are THE bad guys!

    When people say they are against fractional lending, I think that they are in favor recycling existing money through loans rather than allowing citizens to fund their own needs through the “common wealth” of the sovereign.

  20. re: linked .mp3

    Is this Jason Erb the chihuahua who barked at DiLorenzo because he felt very inferrior in the presence of a learned person ? and rushed to the defence of the trojan infiltrator ?

    re-educated you ?!?
    You are still as un-educated as you were when first saw the professional liar’s video (if it had taken more than just clicking the mouse……)

    oh the chihuahua wants to invest (speculate with) in gold, to diversify his portfolio ? (so, his real objection to bankers is that they are better at speculating than he is)

    >>>> gold is lent into circulation
    How dumb you are; nobody lends gold into circulation; someone digs up or pans gold, then spends it (into circulation)

    >>>> no return on investment
    >>>>> easy credit

    stable money ?! are you now saying that money should maintain its purchasing power ? where did you get that ? (not from Margrit) are you looking at the mountain where i am sitting?

    >>>>> zero percent loans….
    If the Fed had lent the 85billion a month into existence and circulation, that loan would have to be re-paid and cancelled out

    >>>>>> the chihuahua brings up the name of Andrew Jackson, who vetoed the re-charter of the second bank; the problem for him (and all the others) is that Andrew Jackson was very hard money man; he wanted (would have liked) coin alone as money and currency; and the people who were on the side of Jackson, to prevent the Congressional overturn of the veto, were also hard money men—

    Mr. Benton did not think it necessary to descant, and expatiate upon the merits and advantages of a gold currency. These advantages had been too well known, from the earliest ages of the world, to be a subject of discussion in the nineteenth century ; but, as it was the policy of the paper system to disparage that metal, and as that system, in its forty years’ reign over the American people, had nearly destroyed a knowledge of that currency, he would briefly enumerate its leading and prominent advantages.
    1. It had an intrinsic value, which gave it currency all over the world, to the full amount of that value, without regard to laws or circumstances.
    2. It had a uniformity of value, which made it the safest standard of the value of property which the wisdom of man had ever yet discovered.
    3. Its portability ; which made it easy for the traveller to carry it about with him.
    4. Its indestructibility ; which made it the safest money that people could keep in their houses.
    5. Its inherent purity ; which made it the hardest money to be counterfeited, and the easiest to be detected, and, therefore, the safest money for the people to handle.
    6. Its superiority over all other money ; which gave to its possessor the choice and command of all other money.
    7. Its power over exchanges ; gold being the currency which contributes most to the equalization of exchange, and keeping down the rate of exchange to the lowest and most uniform point.
    8. Its power over the paper money ; gold being the natural enemy of that system, and, with fair play, able to hold it in check.
    9. It is a constitutional currency and the people have a right to demand it, for their currency, as long as the present constitution is permitted to exist.

    these were the views of the people who defeated the bank; who enacted the Independent Treasury
    the chihuahua should read some real history sometimes, and learn what free banking was

    >>>>>> gold as currency in the United States
    flaunting your ignorance, again; the bankers were the ones, always, who wanted paper money as currency, it was always the bankers who talked about sound (paper) money; it was the opponents of banks (and bankers) who were for coin (like Mr. Jefferson)

    >>>>>Migchels calls for sound money
    you wrote a whole article on drunken sailor money
    i give you the benefit of the doubt that you just don’t know what you are saying (otherwise you would be lying)

    >>>> G Griffin
    Bill Still stole and plagiarised as much as Griffin, but Migchels and the chihuahua –highly moral and intelectually honest as they are– would never mention that tid bit of fact; nor would they bring up that “Web of debt” is also nothing but plagiary and fabrication

    As it turned out everything Gary North (and dailyBell) wrote of Ellen Brown was true……
    You are lying, Gary North wanted people to pay attention –in detail– to Ellen Brown book; the book which is full of garbage, and if the chihuahua had any knowledge he would have noticed them, right away…..

    >>>>Migchels says he takes nothing at face value !!!
    you swallowed(and still do) like cum, at face value, the garbage, the lies, the falsehoods, that your 3 mentors feed you
    the final 12 minutes of the interview, there is no benefit of the doubt: you are audaciously lying

    • hey! I’m not going to get into all of this, because you are repeating yourself.

      But I can’t let you get away with this:

      Name789: >>>> gold is lent into circulation
      How dumb you are; nobody lends gold into circulation; someone digs up or pans gold, then spends it (into circulation)

      What? You fall for this crap Name? You even call me dumb when give me this ‘they dig it up and spend it into circulation’ stuff?

      Hah! You think the owners ((Central) Banks and Governments), of the 150k tonnes (about a hundred times yearly production……….) that they say there are, are going to SPEND that Gold into circulation?

      Ohohoh Name………….my dear friend: they are going to capitalize the banks with that Gold, should there be Gold backed currency. And these banks are going to lend it in circulation, at interest. And the interest will end up with these banks and their ultra rich depositors.

      But of course, not before their Gold holdings (and yours, of course……….)will have gone up 20 or 40 fold because Gold became money again……………..

      I’ve tried to talk as slowly as possible here, Name, because I still have some residual hope for you, that you may focus your attention to economics with the same concentration as you have studied history. But until you do, I’ll have to settle for the occasional comic relief………

  21. b0bcat permalink

    “…cancel all derivatives…” – aren’t futures derivatives too? Don’t you want farmers to be able to budget and assure themselves a baseline profit, continue in business and so also provide the consumer products to buy?

    Three other things from your interview with J. Erb

    1. you said in interview, under the present system, money is created out of nothing, but Mike Montagne’s analysis sounds better, which is that banks usurp the evidencing of promissory obligations between parties to a transaction (house buyer and seller for instance) and (chutzpah) then charge interest on the promissory obligation to pay (and chutzpah on chutzpah: do it over again on a multiplier basis). There might be an argument for interest mightn’t there if the banks were guaranteeing the performance of those promissory obligations? But they don’t… the taxpayer does when banks risk failing.

    2. you seemed to berate free enterprise (or was it just some facet of the western capitalist model?) Anyway, the essence of usury is the unequal sharing of risk – the lender gets his rate whatever happens (theoretically anyhow and practically yes given taxpayer bail-outs) and all the risk of the underlying deal is on the borrower. Islamic finance imposes sharing of the risk (at least when it is not polluted by evasive notions like substantive interest being called a ‘fee’).

    3. Ellen Brown defends usury doesn’t she? Or at least, in “manageably” small amounts? Echoes of Calvin.

    I’m still absorbing others’ comments but I wanted to flag #1.

    P.S.: Supposing you were trying to persuade a prospective political candidate to adopt a monetary reform platform. Do you have a list of stock replies to standard objections? The first one seems to be: “Interest-free credit? Oh no; that would be inflationary”. 🙁

    • Futures are hedges against the rise or fall of an asset you wish to buy or wish to sell, by locking in a predetermined price. They have economic value and you have a personal stake in the outcome.

      Derivatives are just gambling bets on an outcome in the marketplace, or anything outside of it for that matter. There are derivatives on the weather, for example.
      Their is no economic value to this instrument: you need not own or wish to buy or sell corn to place a derivative bet on it. And there is no limit to the payout amount. It’s commonplace for banks to accept the derivative insurance payments without having the ability to pay them off. Fraud is commonplace as well. Banks and hedge funds often manipulate the markets to affect conditions for derivative payouts. Its just another form of legalized theft.

      This the problem that derivatives pose in banking:

  22. Here once again in venezuela, we see a country nominally referred to as a socialist country, the Bolivarian miracle under Chavez, etc, now ran by Maduro. But something is not quite right. It is still the money power in control and they are flourishing.

    “While workers have seen their real incomes steadily eroded, the country’s stock market is the highest performing in the world, up 281 percent compared to last year.

    “Leading this dizzying rise have been the country’s private banks, which are the most profitable in the world thanks to speculation and funding the country’s ballooning public debt at exorbitant interest rates.

    “Under Chavez and now Maduro, a whole new wealthy layer of the country’s ruling establishment, the so-called boli b urguesia, has grown up, enriching itself off of corruption, government contracts and financial speculation.”

    “The ability of dominant elites to exploit crises and configure them in ways appropriate to their narrow interests is a capitalist staple. The economic crisis was articulated as a stock market crisis meriting a massive transfer of wealth to the financial class. Equally when the elites refer to the safety and security of a country what they really mean is safety and security for investor”

  23. CaperAsh permalink

    My sense here is that even though Anthony is offering a critical view of the Nat-Socialist period, including AH, that he has read and absorbed much of the revisionist material and is way beyond the who-started-the-war-in-Poland level. This sort of thing is helpful to expose much of victor’s propaganda demonizing the enemy in order to deflect attention away from their own crimes and so forth. But just because all these lies have been told, it doesn’t necessarily follow that Hitler was as pure as the driven snow. Anthony has several times offered the Hunger Plan as evidence that he was up there in terms of genocide and so forth. He also mentioned several hundred thousand J’s dying in camps, to which someone responded in great ire that the official figures are 300,000. I don’t know about you, but ‘several’ and ‘3’ are in the same ballpark. He didn’t say several million, for example, as most people playing it safe would have done.

    The issue here as I understand it – and Anthony can correct this – is simply: Did AH dismantle the banking cartel operations in Germany (using interest-bearing credit to fund national expenditures and credit line) or not? If he did dismantle them, then evidence they continued to function contradicts that assertion. If he did not dismantle, then evidence they continued to function upholds that assertion. Similarly, facts showing that large parts of the economic renewal did not depend upon interest-bearing credit will bolster the other side of the argument.

    This is not about whether or not Germans in general have been unfairly blamed in outrageous fashion for far too long (sadly the case). Personally, I am very glad to see more people sticking up for the German side of things because even today most Germans have been brainwashed into abject guilt about the whole thing even though younger ones like to pretend it’s all in the past. It isn’t. German history and culture has been deeply wounded by all this and the perpetrators of that wounding continue to lord it over them in many ways today. This is not a good thing. But it’s not the subject of this examination. At least from my pov.

    It is worth looking into what actually did happen. And of course it’s hard to give a subject like this the detailed references and treatment it deserves, so that’s another little problem. But anyway…

  24. CaperAsh permalink

    @ Sophie

    First, I am having a hard time navigating this thread and in some cases even seeing the text, and there is no reply button for yr comment addressed to me which I just noticed. My reply:

    Sophie: Do you be any chance refer to remarks such as this:
    “That’s exactly the typical nazi line that we can expect with splendid national socialist like yourself.’
    as written above by Anthony ?
    Ash: You should include the first part: “You are ridiculously off base calling me ‘a traitor to the nation’.” Anthony is Dutch.

    Sophie: First: National Socialists are NOT nazies no matter how often the massive global judepropaganda machine repeates that crap.

    Ash: I recently read some of this on the J4G site and get it, and am also somewhat ashamed to admit that although I was not in the least surprised, I didn’t actually know that already. Unfortunately in English we have been using the word ‘Nazi’ for eight decades and counting, so accusing anyone and everyone who uses it as a Zio-prop-agitator is a tad extreme and does not help your side in this. Gently reminding people that it’s a loaded term will serve you better.

    Sophie: Second: painting all those you FEAR with one brush is sooo last century.
    Ash: Have no idea what you are talking about. I imagine you mistake my unwillingness to worship Hitler as evidence that I believe all the BS about him. Or perhaps you thought my use of the word genius was tongue-in-cheek. It wasn’t. I suspect he was a truly extraordinary world figure. The story about how he immediately identified the flaw in the model for the Bismark (or Graf Spee?) is just one of many illustrating the great gifts he possessed and shared. At the same time, he also was on board with the Hunger Plan. This is no angel – at least in my eyes. And THAT said, the terrible injustice done to the German people after 1918 created the situation wherein hard solutions had to be found, and the lebensraum thesis, no matter how unfair to some others, makes sense to me. It was a hard time and many of us have little idea of how different interpersonal relations and group society mores functioned back then. Since I grew up in 1950’s London, I have some sense of those times perhaps. In any case, they were much harder by contemporary standards.

    Sophie: Third: if you or Anthony expect a thread to rise above ad hominem then the owner of the blog is responsible for setting the bar and maintaining it. So far I have seen anthonys insults to persons here and to ALL National Socialists and many who have disagreed with is repitious buzz phrases that are right out of the judepropaganda writings of the last 70 years and much as we can get almost any day on The History Channel of Re education on all activities of the WW2 to fir the zionist agenda and totally program the minds of the masses to HATE all Germans
    so when you call for a higher level of verbal conduct perhaps you want to start with the HEAD?

    Ash: Well, it seems to me that you are very passionate about all this and projecting a certain level of passion, even hatred, onto someone like myself. I find it vaguely amusing that someone like myself who is firmly in the revisionist camp is being taken to task by a loyal National Socialist, but it’s not the first time this has happened because any time one criticises Hitler in this sort of milieu, some people get righteously upset. I understand: after all the lies and hatred and vitriol heaped on his head, and in turn also yours, it takes guts for people like you to try to pierce the veil of BS and see what’s on the other side.

    My pov on this viz. AH and NS, is that for me as English-speaking amateur (not a professional researcher), the picture is still fuzzy and many things don’t add up. I mentioned some earlier or perhaps on the J4G thread about this post, to which no response of course.

    One example: Why did AH release the British at Dunkirk? It makes no sense at all. Surely by holding them he would have a peace negotiating card if that is what he wanted. I can’t come up with a single good reason. I can’t buy that he felt he would be getting good will out of it.

    And as I have said on this thread, even if AH was pure and noble, the result of all his work and all the good and glorious efforts of Germans during the 1930’s, the result was pure Hell, including political subjugation (I have a lifelong aufenthalturlaubnis simply because of being born a US citizen and therefore being an honorary occupier which is disgusting), mass rape, mass murder, mass deportation and all the rest of it. Ghastly. I find it hard to believe that if not AH himself, then many key players in Deutschland must have had some hand in this destruction. And it’s quite possible that Schacht was deep in with teh Money Power boys as Anthony M here is saying, and others like him were also involved. Although am open to the possibility that it’s the case, I find it hard to believe that AH and all Germans were all angels, and everyone else were devils.

    And btw, I have read Suvarov and Yuri Lena, the entire Irving trial transcripts, the entire 1985 Zundel transcripts and many other things. This discussion is not about Revisionism 101. The issue is whether or not AH and Nat-Soc Germany managed to kick out the usury cartel. I am not yet convinced by Anthony’s case which is largely circumstantial and within insufficient hard data for my taste, but it’s a reasonable argument to make, and shouting about Poland and how Stalin was ready to invade Europe etc. doesn’t really have anything to do with that issue.

    And finally, I have no stake in this blog as you infer. I don’t know Anthony and in fact have been disagreeing with his conclusions here, albeit in a rather subdued fashion since, as I said at the beginning, I have no axe to grind on this issue. If AH was a saint, that is fine; if he was a devil, that is also fine. I would like to know the truth, but suspect that even now it’s not so easy to get at.

    I have no doubt that most of the German people – like ordinary people everywhere – are basically good; and no doubt that once he got going, he understandably garnered their heartfelt support, as evidenced later by the reunion with Austria. Much of what he campaigned on and achieved centred around the German volk/people and he served that interest well and consistently. This was an extraordinary time in European history he helped manage, and indeed led. But that doesn’t mean that the same rats and rascals pulling strings behind the scenes today weren’t doing it back then. Give the country a few years to build up again, and then we’ll make a killing – literally – tearing it down. I don’t KNOW if this happened, but I strongly suspect it.

    And if true, you will find it in the money system. Anthony – right or wrong – is definitely right on in terms of identifying this as a key dynamic worthy of serious attention. He is also right that very few, if any, revisionists have understood the money aspects, although a couple did decades ago perhaps whose names I don’t recall (the chap who worked with Ezra Pound?). Anyway, Sophie, if it helps you unload your bile on people like me, go for it. But I think it’s misdirected!

    • @CaperAsh

      this is very difficult to find the comments that are in the email notices but here I will make a response. to Ash.

      You wrote:
      “Unfortunately in English we have been using the word ‘Nazi’ for eight decades and counting, so accusing anyone and everyone who uses it as a Zio-prop-agitator is a tad extreme and does not help your side in this. Gently reminding people that it’s a loaded term will serve you better.”

      Those zionist pr shills have used this epithet to keep denigrating all Germans and made it a slang buzz word that is these last few years used totally out of nay context in referring to Germans so it has lost any shock value for most same as calling racist or anti semite or turd or idiot.

      Some National Socialists will confront the use of it when ever we see it if possible.

      If you are suggesting I write with “gentleness” hooo bouy ! U got a case there>
      MY style is with passion and this is a born talent I have.
      Do you wish to say to me that as a FEMALE I need to tone it down . ?

      Hellloooo.. this IS the 21st Century and women dont wear long skirts and bonnets to go to market now.

      You wrote:
      ” projecting a certain level of passion, even hatred, onto someone like myself. ”

      oh my goodness shirley!
      Not so that I have projected any hate onto you
      why so seeeensitive there fella?

      you may be in the Revisionist camp but posting for people to get respectful when some of us HAVE been while the supposed leader of this discussion has been frequently did respectful

      also it is not good debate for you or him to write in the ” EITHER OR ” paradigm

      When one of us disagrees that does NOT make us the holders of the opposite view so leaving no room for any grey areas is casting dissenters into the other view with no room for a moderate view.

      now get this. my style is forceful
      I do not use foul language
      I do NOT attack or make claims vs any other
      I do not write ONLY opinions but do use links to recognized authorities

      I do NOT try to tell others how to write unless they are using foul words in which case I make it known to the owner of the blog or utube vid

      now what was your other complaints fella?

      oh yeah here is one of yours:
      ” Why did AH release the British at Dunkirk? ”

      Sorry but that has been done over and over with witness accounts of how HE saw the British as cousins and chose not to slaughter them
      In other cases He showed great mercy. These are available online and I am working and not inclined to go lookig for all the texts to show how HIS MIND was on this issue when you can very well look it up for yourself

      and NO we do not “worship” Hitler or claim he was or is a god.

      Thats pr pushed out by the shills and some wannabes who think being a nazi is cool will spread it and maybe many of those are also trolls making the National Socialists look like ignorant fools

      and in case you never noticed that is the plan too.
      So if you dont like my writing style make sure never to come to a presentation where I do SPEAK with great passion and gusto and most people like it very much.

      The ‘chap’ who worked with Ezra Pound was probably Eustace Mullins altho many 20th century writers were heavily influenced by him.
      He suffered all his life due to exposing the zionist agenda as did Ezre Pound when he was sent to an asylum for ten maybe twelve years to keep him quiet.

      Why are these fine intellects destroyed for speaking vs the zionist tyranny
      or read Mullins say how Hitler was set up and as a visionary he didnt SEE it till the intel that Russia was about to roll into Germany a few days after the Peace Pact was signed and THAT bit of treachery is IMV the harshest cause of Germanys loss of WW2

      all of that is online and in utube vids also
      Pound and Mullins have been very well covered

      enjoy doing more research

      and women CAN speak with strong voices and sensitive men have to let it roll over them as it isnt personal , just women with strong voices most men have had very little exposure to in their lives and THAT is not for this thread . 😀


  25. Sophia don’t be fooled by anthony, he is always trying to sidestep the main issue here – international theft from the nation, he uses the marxist class warfare principal quite effectively, ill get in touch with you on youtube after I get off work tonight, don’t buy into anthonys bs its clear what he represents

    • tsk tsk………….I thought this whole thing started with me wondering about exactly that: international theft from the nation through the banks, since the Reichsmark, it seems, was not reformed by the NSDAP.

    • @mike the nationalist


      • beware of capitalism, it is the arm of Judaism and the opposite of a free market, capitalism is the same as communism except the subjects of judeo communism know they are in some real trouble, judeo capitalism is something of a utopia in the fact that we can never admit that we are in some trouble! its not the systems, the jews could screw up absolutely anything… deliberately that is

  26. Anthony, what is your position? That the germans charged interest at a national level keeping it within the national economy, that they allowed supra national organizations to charge interest? Or that they only pretended to make a change to get into power with the only mission of killing jews and non germans and taking over the world? What is your fucking position?

    • My proposition is that Hitler’s powerful backers hindered a real reform of the monetary system. Their man Schacht made sure the German banks continued their operations unscathed. The question is: what were the interest rates they used and who owned them?

      My hunch is that Hitler was a German nationalistic imperialist, who wanted to dominate Europe and take a sizable chunk from Russia. He was allowed to implement his agenda, because this suited the Money Power fine: they wanted to destroy Germany and they wanted a big fight.

      Hitler as an imperialist is hard to deny, in my view. Just look at the map of Europe in 1942. True, there was a certain momentum. But Hitler just had to take the whole lot? He was forced by the Jews to do it?

      The fact of the matter is, he began building an army from day one. In the late thirties he pressed his people to continue the arms buildup, even though the economy was overheating and there were supply issues. He was very assertive, if not aggressive in his foreign policy, although it is also undeniable he had the moral high ground, especially before Poland.

      There was a conflict between Hitler and his backers about the money situation and Hitler probably went further then they liked, but he did not solve the real issue: usurious control of the money supply by the banks. War profiteering by German elites must have been immense and today they are part and parcel of the Money Power’s international control grid. There is every reason to believe they already were so at the time.

      Hitler was manipulated by his backers, and he probably knew it, but on the other hand had to deal with it because he needed them. I think he was betrayed on the British issue and that he was made to believe that he could get away with his Eastern ambitions. Otherwise his stance on Britain is inexplicable. It cost him everything, ultimately.

      Maybe this explains why Hitler quickly lost it, crumbling before our very eyes, after the war in Russia began. He must have sensed something was amiss.

      • what backers? the german people obviously – Hitler wanted to dominate Europe? So stopping the documented polish atrocities in west preussen, pomern, and pozen = taking over the world? Protecting the Sudeten germans = taking over the world? Source(you know something you never have?) der tod sprach polnisch, documented polish atrocities – Orphans of Versaille’s by Richard blanke, I can go on and on, I actually have sources… You realize Hitler took back German territory stolen in 1919 right, so he wasn’t really taking over the world, meanwhile actually holocausting Palestinians and the other 7 nations attacked under the greater Israel plan is just fighting terrorism right?

        Operation Barbarossa was a counter attack against soviet forces within 50 kilometers of germany in violation of the non aggression pact, you jewishly forgot to mention 25,000 tanks, 20,000 airplanes 100’s of runways being built and according to soviet documents 8 million troops in the western sector, but at least a million very close to the german boder (many of which carried german phrasebooks with lines like “stop transmitting or Ill shoot”) the invasion and occupation by the soviet union of at least 6 countries and how many tens of millions of dead Europeans at the hands of the jewish soviet? Does that explain why Hitler attacked Russia? – SOURCE(you know something you never have) Joachim Hoffman stalin’s vernichtungskrieg, stalins’s war of annihilation, Icebreaker Victor Suvorov and many others…

        I would also direct you, if you can even read? Im wondering if you really can? to all the archives of diplomatic negotiations showing that Hitler was the only person to attempt to keep the peace, look at his offer of a trans corridor railway to east preussen for which he would allow the Poles to keep west Preussen, Pommern and Pozen, the birthplace of Paul Von Hindenburg! Very magnanimous of Hitler! Would you care to post a source on Hitlers aggressive re armament because I read about an American diplomat who was appalled at Hitler’s complying with the disarmament sanctions and France, England and Russia refusing to disarm at all! Ill search for his name, or perhaps someone reading here who actually cares about the documented historical fact(that disqualifies Anthony immediately!) can help me?

        Please watch this Anthony and give me your version of what went on here

        Anthony, would you agree that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent and his ever illusive NWO and illuminati bankers is a code word for disinfo protecting jews? I submit that your ambiguous identification of Hitler’s backers as the ever illusive “backers” is identical… or perhaps you can come up with a more colorful and equally un identifiable name?

        Finally there are several works published describing exactly how the German Workers Party did everything they did, the interest rates and all of that, I am surprised a supposedly Dutch person wouldn’t try and read this but a German American from Wisconsin such as myself would, wow I must be backed by the backers, perhaps I can get a car that isn’t a piece of shit than, and maybe a house!

        Economic management in the third reich

        The functional role of money and credit in our economy

        leading national socialists to the bank question

        Very poor job at disinfo Anthony, better get a better idea of what you are talking about first, by the way, you are a supporter of the gold standard correct? Im just guessing but I suspect you are, you know jewish economics? supposedly Austrian economics but whatever, have to rent the gold from somebody right?

          • Why are you continuing to emphasize Stalin’s war plans? Haven’t I sufficiently made clear that I fully agree with the Revisionists on Stalin’s attitudes?

            The question is: what were Hitler’s plans? Did he just respond to the threat, or was there more to it? Mein Kampf itself clearly suggests he had plans for Russia from day one.

            You should also not overlook that Stalin’s army was positioned for attack and not defense and this explains why the Russians were so easily overrun in 1941. If anything, Stalin’s positioning of his forces weakened Russia and it’s far from unfair to suggest Hitler didn’t mind jumping to the occasion.

            I repeat: Hitler saw war on Russia as his destiny.

  27. I know the main question here is AH’s monetary program, but I must say that regardless of that issue AH must be considered an anti-Christ because of his deification of himself and the State. Many noteworthy Germans opposed him from the moment the enabling act was passed in 1933. Theologians like Dietrich Bonhoeffer (who was imprisoned and hanged by the gestapo) Martin Niemoller, and Karl Barth (among others) rejected AH presidency of the Church in the Barmen Declaration, maintaining only Jesus Christ could assume that role. I think I am not mistaken in stating that what AH and the Nazis had is common with the Jews is self worship. Further, what moral grounds would have prevented AH from attempting global conquest? I see none.

    • Let me guess, no source… typical You should read “an open letter to the pope on his visit to Auschwitz” Leon Degrelle or maybe just anything not authored by a jew, you think? Do you have a source for anything you are saying?

      • Do you really need a source to prove Dietrich Bonhoeffer was killed by the Gestapo?

        It’s a fact that Jewish ultra nationalism was copied by Hitler and he made the German people God, just like the Rabbi’s make the Jews the God of their religion.

        What it all comes down to is: you are not interested in facts or a real account: you are interested in defending your ideology and personal preferences.

        You are not really interested in the German Folk or the betterment of us all: you are interested in proving your point.

        If anything, you have shown yourself to be an excellent example of the point that “Revisionism, notwithstanding its many achievements, becomes a part of the problem when they aim to replace Allied and Russian war propaganda with Nazi agitprop.”

        • I have to say that statement absolutely ridiculous,,, how would you verify something like that?

          Jewish ultra nationalism was copied by Hitler – what jews what jewish ideology? hitler was more influenced by the teutonic knights and their black cross on a white background than he was by any jews…


    In the book, The Truth Shall Set You Free along with endless other researchers and scholars, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were created and funded by the Rothschild’s. “It was they who arranged for Hitler to come to power through the Illuminati secret societies in Germany like the Thule Society and the Vril Society which they created through their German networks; it was the Rothschild’s who funded Hitler through the Bank of England and other British and American sources like the Rothschild’s Kuhn, Loeb, bank which also funded the Russian Revolution.”

    • this isn’t a jewish Hollywood script, or is it? do you have anything true to post? verifiable? How do you explain niall ferguson’s books on the rothschildes which tell of FACTUAL and verifiable events like Hitler confiscating all rothschilde property and arresting rothschildes that didn’t flee Europe? you people are just ridiculously and deliberately uninformed…

  29. How does one write off the DNA testing which shows that Hitler had the common Jewish or as some call Khazar gene, Haplogroup E1b1b (Y-DNA)? His relatives such as Bridgette Hitler Ireland show the same. Prescott Bush was also instrumental in financing Hitler as he lost some assets under the trading with the enemy act.

    According to Walter Langer, a psychoanalyst who wrote the book THE MIND OF ADOLF HITLER, the demonic German leader was a grandson of a Rothschild. “Adolf’s father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. DNA tests don’t lie.

    In 2010 Jean-Paul Mulders’s and historian Marc Vermeeren used samples from Adolf Hitler’s distant relatives to try and trace the Hitler family’s haplogroup. Their conclusion was that it belongs to the Haplogroup E1b1b (Y-DNA), a haplogroup which originated in East Africa about 22,400 years ago. Hitler’s haplogroup is E1b1b, and is much more common among Berbers, Somalian people and Jews than among Germans who only contain roughly 8% of this group.

    Were there indeed 150,000 Jewish officers in the Reich army and were Goebels and others Jewish themselves? 5 major Jewish generals?

    Has anyone read Greg Hallett’s book “Hitler Was A British Agent”? Bridgette Hilter says that Hitler was in England training at the Tavistock Institute during his “missing years”.

    This site gives many excerpts of the books such as (Hitler was a British agent,) suggesting the missing years of his life, he spent training with the Tavistock Institute in England and then showed up as an art student. Is this a lie? After the death of Hitler’s mother he showed up in Vienna, there are ten months missing where we know little to nothing of what he was about during this period.

    Everything that happens now, happens because of 1945.

    Former MI-6 Chief: “This book was written by a genius”.

    Magda Zeitfield was the daughter of a surgeon and she maintains that he was killed as he performed cosmetic surgery on Der Fuhrer in order to smuggle him out of Germany as a priest. Der Fuhrer could have had many female visitors and admirers in Argentina.

    Notorious satanist Aleister Crowley was fond of Der Fuhrer and called him his magic child. And of course some maintain Barbara Bush is Crowley’s daughter.

    Hitler was a psychopath, he did not want peace, he wanted war just as the Rothschilds now want war, just as Angela Merkel wants war, brutality and violence. These are the same people who armed Russia, Germany, Spanish fascists, annexed Austria (Adolf’s birth certificate was there) and Czechoslovakia. They wanted war and they are still in power today. Merkel wants war, the financial subjugation of the EU, provides submarines to Israel. The bankers want war, that is all they know. Yes Hitler put Germans back to work, he abolished labor unions and did so under the power of the gun. He invested in war and that is what we are invested in today, war.

    Yes, Hitler put the country back to work again, under the threat of violence. He borrowed from the international banks, destroyed the trade-unions, primarily invested in the war industries. Americans does this sound familiar?

    The Hitler fans might well be the ones who parade in the streets shouting USA, USA every time America invades another country.

    The Greatest Story Never Told


    • can you differentiate between factual events and non factual events portrayed in the jewish media? obviously not, the following are documented facts: unike the information on this website

      Adolf hitler devotes a speech to the jewish problem. In the speech hitler addressed not just his german audience but all other peoples as well: “people of the world, unite and resist the jews! People of europe, free yourselves from the jewish yoke!” > > It was the call for a crusade: a crusade, however, that was strictly limited to the “entfernung”(removal) of the jews that hitler had already spoken of in his report to the reichswehr in 1919.(hitler had been engaged by the german army not to spy on the nazi party as modern propaganda tells us but in reality to engage in intelligence reports on the jewish communist parties and also in the capacity to rehabilitate german soldiers who were straying from nationalism to communism, once again the jews through propaganda have reversed the true roles and events of history) hitlers solution was to remove the jews from the levers of power in germany and thus keep them from dominating the destiny of the germans. This was not a new concept. For more than a thousand years europeans had sought to keep the jews from dominating their various countries. Hitler would never tolerate the control of germany by non german aliens(as we do today in the us), if the jews did not like a germany for the germans they could simply leave. This was the jist and sum of hitlers famous speech of august 13th, 1920 on how to deal with the jewish problem, nothing further than that. > > However thanks to post world war 2 propaganda, the word entfernung was deliberately mistranslated in the myriad anti-german books as meaning “liquidation” or “annihilation.” British books were the first to produce this fabricated meaning which was than translated into french and all other languages. Ironically, these propaganda books were than translated into german, so the germans would have to read a total mistranslation of a german word as gospel. Since draconian “anti nazi” laws imposed by the allies after ww2 made it a crime to quote “nazi” writings, it has not been possible to rectify publicly the mistranslation. > > Thus the “final solution” so often quoted from hitlers 1920 speech has been one more hoax perpetrated on the public by political “historians.” Unlike hitler, who wished only for the jews to go away, the average german in 1920 felt much less kindly. > > Hitlers moderation was in marched contrast to the popular wrath of the time, and it is an irony of history that it was this moderation that was used in attempts to discredit hitler in the eyes of the german people as himself being a jew. > > This thesis was taken up in hundreds of books by jewish and non jewish writers. On october 14th, 1933 the british daily mirror, owned by jewish press magnate lord beaverbrook, published the photograph of a jewish tombstone of one abraham eyliyohn, a bucharest jew whom the mirror claimed to be hitlers grandfather. This claim received wide acceptance throughout the english speaking world and had to wait for historian werner maser to expose it as an absurdity. Eyliyohn’s birth certificate preceded by five years the birth certificate of hitlers father alois! So are we to believe that a 5 year old fathered a child? I think not! > > Then a “confession” was wrenched from the tortured nuremburg prisoner hans frank that a jew had made hitlers grandmother pregnant. An american officer by the name of sixtus o’connor was the recipient of this amazing confession, which named the jew in question as a certain frankeireither from graz in austria. > > This assertion was supposedly corroborated by an article written by some distant relative of hitler’s and published in the august 5, 1939 edition of paris soir. Again werner maser pointed out that neither the name frankeireither nor the name frankenberger, as it had also been quoted, appeared in any records of graz. Furthermore, not a single jew had lived in graz from the time of the fifteenth century until ten years after the death of hitlers grandmother. When maser then checked the paris soir article, he was surprised to find that the name frankeireither or frankenberger was never mentioned. Thus another piece of nuremburg “evidence” was based on torture and fabrication. > > Another fantasy of the allies was hitlers alleged destruction of dollersheim, an austrian village that was his fathers birthplace. This charge came from a defrocked priest callled jetzinger, who claimed that in 1937 hitler had ordered the village destroyed because there were compromising records there pertaining to his origins. > > “Dollersheim and the neighboring villages no longer exist” jetzinger wrote. “The whole region once fertile and thriving is nothing but desolation now. Death lies in wait for you everywhere in the shape of unexploded bombs. The former villagers have been dispersed throughout the country. For some years hiitler had savored his triumph in having blown up and bulldozed flat his fathers birthplace and his grrandmothers grave. Everything indicates that dollersheims death sentence came from hitler himself and was inspired by his implacable hatred of his father who’s own father may have been jewish…” > > It made good freudian copy, but again it was a fabrication. Historian werner maser set the record straight. “Jetzinger’s statements are patently absurd. After the anschluss, a commemorative stone was placed near the tomb of maria anna schicklgruber, engraved with a cross and the words “here lies the fuhrers grandmother, Maria A. Hitler, born Schicklgruber. Schoolchildren and mebers of the hitler youth would often come there to pay their respect, and the grave was always very well maintained.” Werner maser > > Just before ww2 the wermacht set up a training field in the region. A few isolated farmhouses were slightly damaged, but none of the church and government records were ever destroyed, nor was the village of dollersheim. The destruction of the entire dollersheim region occurred between 1945 and 1955 and was brought about by the soviet occupation forces, a fact well known but unpublicized by establishment historians. All the fabrications about hitler from self-hating jew to jew-hating gentile to enraged and hysterical loudmouth were completly and utterly false.

      • He made some great speeches, that was his role to present himself as the National Socialist leader. Clinton and Obama make some great speeches also. Unfortunately it is just talk. I don’t recall any speeches about moving Mr. Rothschild out of the country, you know they have a lot of mansions in Germany, own a lot of banks and still do, yet not a word about this from Aleister Crowley’s magic child. If the little corporal had been a problem they would have put somebody on it, as happened to … well just about anybody else that really caused the bankers any problems.

        The communism he is thought to have fought so valiantly against was awarded one half of Germany, the criminal mob still owns German industry and lifeblood, the Rothschild banks, I.G. Farben and most international banks who financed him to begin with were never bombed and are now doing splendidly. The Ford factories owned by Henry Ford, another illuminati member were also not bombed. Incidentally Henry Ford’s children are now married into prominent Jewish families.

        “How do you explain that IBM landed in Germany the very month Hitler was elected (March 1933) in order to catalogue the Jews and get them ready for Palestine?

        Hitler’s half sister and “beloved” neice who committed suicide were both named Angela, namesakes to Merkel. Coincidence? Also, the book Gray Wolf: the escape of Adolf Hitler, describes him as having a couple of daughters in Argentina.

        Joseph Goebbels, four step grand children are now worth millions due to an inheritance of the German gun and missile industry which includes BMW. Goebbels was Jewish also and apparently had a capitalist streak in that socialist heart of his. It ail turned out the way it was supposed to. Germany was bombed to the stone age, Rothschild is still printing the money and the big corporates who helped him torch the place are still there, never touched by a bomb. German tax money is still paying for reparations and submarines to Israel, Germans just wake up in the morning and read more Deutsch Welle. which was part of the plan by the way.

        • Yes, the affluence of those financing Hitler during his surge to power (Krupp, Thyssen, the IG Farben people and of course the bankers) and producing his war machine and their place at the core of the Banker/Transnational cartel after the war certainly is very embarrassing. Are we to believe they only teamed up with Rothschild and co only after the war?

          • Friedrich(Fritz) Thyssen adamantly disputed the authenticity of “I paid Hitler” and this was upheld by the allied denazification tribunal, the fact that the book “I paid hitler” was not true and was complete disinformation is a very well known fact!

    • A true testament against Rothschild leadership

  30. I am afraid Mr. Migchels is realizing that even retired contractors get the call to come out of mothballs and get on the web for this type discussion.

    You see the narrative must be frozen and remain as is. There is too much riding on it and we cannot have a large piece of the programming removed. The Germans must continue to live behind the corporate curtain, the reparations to Israel and free submarines must continue. They must roll over in their sleep with guilt pangs, then get up in the morning and read more Deutsch Welle.

    As for the Hitler disciples, side of the equation, they may be needed at some future point to participate in a street brawl or perhaps rally at the next western invasion of a hapless disarmed country with resources.

    The psychologist Frantz Fanon hit this one out of the park.

    “Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.” -Frantz Fanon”
    It is much easier to fool someone than to to convince them they have been fooled … Mark Twain
    Rabbi Marvin Antelman claims Herr Hitler’s mother Klara Polzl conceived in a Tisha B’av sexual rite.

    • You’re right Dublinsmick. Both Mike and Sophia are way too emotionally involved. Mike is endlessly regurgitating German quotes by Feder, a man I greatly respect, but of which I made more than clear he never had a chance to in any real way implement his ideas. He thinks he has a right to talk because he wage slaves away at Krupp Iron Works, calling it useful work, while enriching those who have destroyed the country he claims to love.

      Sophia thinks she is in a position to discuss the level of discourse, while she is teaming up with Mike who lost it in the early stages of this dialogue, calling me a traitor and continuously degenerating into stupid accusations because his only alternative is endlessly repeating NSDAP propaganda.

      Sophia believes it reasonable to explain history by claiming Hitler was very naive. Sure, he built National Socialist Germany and the biggest war machine the world ever saw, but he was very naive about the British, you see?

      To be honest, I’m disappointed by the level of discourse here. I admit we got off on a bad start a little bit, because I insufficiently addressed revisionism to frame the debate in a better way.

      But the upside is that I think it’s clear that they are a little too partial to Hitler and his program, unable to evaluate it critically.

      As a result, they will continue to be easily manipulated. They will continue to be fooled by ‘solutions’ the way the Money Power likes them: with the masses continuing to toil away (Mike seems very proud of his toil) for the rich while eagerly dying on the battlefields when called to arms. Although it’s probably fair to say they prefer to see their neighbors go, when push comes to shove.

      • Hello Mr. Migchels
        I left a few links over at justice4germans which unfortunately the moderator has not seen fit to post as of yet. So I must conclude there is not going to be much justice for Germans there. The comment must have gone to the rabbit hole, smashed by the jack boot in true national socialist style. I did notice this particular site is frequented by field marshall Carolyn Yeager however. No explanation needed here I am sure.

        Beaulahman was there indicating he had always liked your writing but now …. someone must have gotten to you! That is the same fellow here who added so eloquently to this debate with a comment of “keep your day job.” That is the kind of comedy you usually find on football forums. I am familiar with him as I found him on another site leaving comments indicating that I was insufficiently loyal to fascism. He wasn’t bringing many facts to the table, simply calling me an idiot and moron. So I suppose from what I can see here, his debating skills are improving. I am thoroughly familiar with this chap and I doubt he can balance his check book, much less offer a valid critique involving your financial skills.

        I look for some of the posters here to goose step back into the night as at this point there have been too many unpleasant facts brought into the light for them to be comfortable with. I suspect the blitzkrieg has been broken and the forces of fascism will now contemplate a Dunkirk. They are fun though are they not?

      • ” Both Mike and Sophia are way too emotionally involved. Mike is endlessly regurgitating ..”

        no surprise in your accusing we who do post facts and sources of doing exactly what you are doing . there goes that tjb again.

        It has become difficult to find the posts that show up in email and to read your repeated REPEATED same old same old claims as facts is not worth attempting to debate and is boring
        you have worn out that pack of cards and are using greasy faded aces now.

        IF you really did research there are dozens of sites that wold support your views but they are ALL operated by those same old same old regurgitators of the lies you also regurgitate here endlessly. There are interesting facts thrown in you COULD use IF you really did research and not just post the same old same old

        Last night I realized your tactics are to repeat endlessly the same old same old because you dont know any other same olds to perk up your blather and you really are desperate to keep this huge thread going so you tag on the same old same old to try to breathe life into a horse that was dead and headed for the glue factory when you saw MAYBE you could get a nose or ear out of it before the chopper.
        There is no reason for me to assist with your puny oxygen shots into a now meaningless thread and my knowledge is far too valuable for this thread where you deny all but the same old same old that is so long disproven

        Shame on you for beating that dead horse
        The Revisionists, MANY of whom are National Socialists, have long since won any arguments you have presented here and some you claim to have presented and have not

        So before this dead horse stinks any more I bid you farewell and may you enjoy the environment in which you have chozen to dwell with your passel of chozen acolytes.

        Thanks for this as I did meet a couple of teriffic & knowlegeable folks here.



        • And thank you for visiting Real Currencies Sophia! We may not agree on Hitler and National Socialism, but I sure wish revisionism well, helping to rehabilitate the German people, which is urgently needed. And although you don’t seem to like the idea: we do agree about the need to kill Usury!

          • Anthony
            You have stooped to a new low here.

            You have accuse me of supporting usury as a BAIT
            to get me to return here to help you boost this thread.

            Here I am to refute your lie.

            First I have never supported usury that’s an obvious lie on your part

            NAUGHTY BOY !

            And get this Anthony

            anything you post about me or try to put words in my mouth, geretofore will be ignored and any intelligent people who trip over this thread probably know me by reputation for many years that I have not ever supported usury and have often spoken against it as any National Socialism does.

            So wale away with your lies and distortions and smears Anthony bubbie

            and to all intelligent people your puerile attempts to keep this thread going no matter who and what you must lie and rail against are just that, puerile attempts to keep this thread going without doing any more real research into the issues you claim are correct and have yet to substantiate with your biased links and biased self observations.

            So claiming Sophia supports usury is really so low it simply shows how desperate you are, and one can only think at some point you needed money so bad you sold your soul so to the office that pays shills sites.

            And that remark, my dear Anthony, is not as low as you’re lying by claiming that Sophia supports usery .

            Make up any lies you wish You have shown clearly your words have no ethical value

            but thanks for showing you are a LIAR

            Bye bye lying bubbulah.

          • I think this is actually an excellent example of a problem you have been showing Sophia. You don’t read and get carried away with what you think your eyes see. Please reread what I said.

  31. “can you differentiate between factual events and non factual events portrayed in the jewish media? obviously not, the following are documented facts: unike the information on this website”

    Mr. Strobach if you had been following this conversation I have left several dozen links that connect to links provided and I don’t call any of them being from the Jewish press. Maybe you are just not processing the information very well. It is fairly consistent that many discussions such as this devolve into my link is better than yours etc.

    I have never heard of Nialls Ferguson forgive me. He calls the U.K. home however does he not. Forgive me again I should not have said that. I would suggest those living in the banking nest should be looked at with a jaundiced eye. You say the Rothschilds left Germany, … You don’t suppose they had planned a vacation before the big show do you? Those who stayed you say were jailed .. was it house arrest in the Rothschild mansions?

    For instance the books by Greg Hallett, do you have something we should know about him? His house was burned down in New Zealand and he can no longer enter the U.K. on a visa. He is the scourge of the royal family.
    What is wrong with this book?

    Do writers you mention have a grasp on the royal family and England as Hallett seems to? The interview by Jim Fetzer is priceless.

    Are you by any chance suggesting that two different DNA tests on Hitler’s relatives showing that he originated from a Jewish DNA are wrong? Do you have information about those doing the testing indicating they were incompetent? Those being tested were of Hitler’s won family who once tried to blackmail him by revealing he was the son of a Jewish banker.

    Is it you are just not familiar with the human genome project or you feel they are not far enough along? You see (Y-DNA) haplogroup E1b1b is why Jewish families insist you must have a Jewish mother in order to be considered Jewish. Hitler displayed this blood group and so do the royal families of Europe.

    Hitler and Napoleon belonged to the Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b blood grouping and is very rare in Germany and western Europe. Genetic tests were performed by Ronny Decorte, genetics expert at katholieke Universiteit Leuven  on Hitler’s current living relatives and Der Fuhrer would not have been a happy camper.

    So Mr. Strobach, I am not selling any books or for that matter holding any radio show interviews. I did have a father once who became a disabled veteran in Germany and an uncle who was killed there for no reason. I also had a father in law in Germany who lost an arm with Rommel when Hitler was aiding his Donmeh allies who were planted by the British officer David Shakespeare, who now form the Muslim brotherhood and are eating organs in Syria. I also had a mother in law with shrapnel in her legs.

    • dublinsmick,
      you have no evidence because what you are saying never happened, for instance you are referring to a paris soire article tthat supposedly Patrick hitler said that adolf hitler was jewish, historian werner masser in the book Hitler legends myth and reality reproduced the paris soire article and wouldnt you know, no such thing was ever said by patrick hitler…

      On october 14th, 1933 the british daily mirror, owned by jewish press magnate lord beaverbrook, published the photograph of a jewish tombstone of one abraham eyliyohn, a bucharest jew whom the mirror claimed to be hitlers grandfather. This claim received wide acceptance throughout the english speaking world and had to wait for historian werner maser to expose it as an absurdity. Eyliyohn’s birth certificate preceded by five years the birth certificate of hitlers father alois! So are we to believe that a 5 year old fathered a child? I think not

      Then a “confession” was wrenched from the tortured nuremburg prisoner hans frank that a jew had made hitlers grandmother pregnant. An american officer by the name of sixtus o’connor was the recipient of this amazing confession, which named the jew in question as a certain frankeireither from graz in austria. > > This assertion was supposedly corroborated by an article written by some distant relative of hitler’s and published in the august 5, 1939 edition of paris soir. Again werner maser pointed out that neither the name frankeireither nor the name frankenberger, as it had also been quoted, appeared in any records of graz. Furthermore, not a single jew had lived in graz from the time of the fifteenth century until ten years after the death of hitlers grandmother. When maser then checked the paris soir article, he was surprised to find that the name frankeireither or frankenberger was never mentioned. Thus another piece of nuremburg “evidence” was based on torture and fabrication.

      Hitler sued the munich post in 1920 for printing that he was jewish, at this time hitler was a powerless private citizen, but yet he won… this happened several times before the putsch,

      I challenge you dublinsmick to produce one piece of evidence that corroborates anything you are saying, there are no such DNA tests in existence and I wouldn’t believe them if their were, without dna from Adolf Hitlers body its not reliable, but it doesnt matter as I have sources and you just have pathetic inuendos…

      dublinsmock says
      “did the rothschildes plan a nice vacation? hehe…” like a little child having a tempertantrum that is the most ridiculous “I have absolutely no evidence or sources and Im just pathetic” argument I have ever heard from anyone… I guess you are at the point where you are just making up history so why even debate it right? just tell me what would suit your sourceless little pea brain so you can feel good about your nothingness and Ill go along with it sound good?

      In answer to your question about nial ferguson’s 2 monumental books – the house of rotschilde, he recounts how all rot schild(real name bauer) property and wealth were confiscated by the german state, of course you will come up with some idiotic and sourceless statement saying that they had had a secret meeting with aliens or some bullshit… yes they arrested some rotschildes according to ferguson and everybody else with a brain and held them in custody for a while.

      What is the name of the rotschilde who was supposed to have fathered alois and why is it that the lord of ottenstein who’s principality maria anna schicklegruber resided in, who kept meticulous records of any of his subjects absenting themselves for any period of time records no such absence for maria schicklegruber? Also, she had quite a fortune from an inheritance and never worked as a poor maid for a jewish family in Vienna because history shows she never lived there. Also, no jews lived in graz since emperor maximillian exiled them over 500 years ago, even during the reign of joseph, no jews were registered as living in graz. You are getting your information from a book written by walter langer, a psychoanalyst for the American OSS which was basically all war time propaganda and psychic preductions… Cant you find one fucking source for anything you say? seriously dude, you look so stupid and ridiculous talking about DNA tests that don’t exist that its just pathetic… you are also claiming the tests that you cant produce re from somebody with different ancestor that hitler didn’t share, which would explain why there might be different dna if the tests you are talking about even existed, WHICH THEY DONT!

      You have not one source so don’t even bother, Im way out of your league and unlike you, I know how to read…

  32. Bob permalink

    After all this blather, nobody has even mentioned Anthony Sutton’s ground-breaking history books “Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution” and “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler”…

    • well, in fairness, I mentioned the latter in my sources.

    • Sure, Anthony used Sutton in his articles.

      Rodney Martin dismissed Sutton’s works as not a legitimate source without ever explaining why. Maybe he can’t as Sutton uses primary sourced material exclusively.

      The national socialists revivalists here have followed suit with Martin, only saying something to the effect the he is part of the ziopress establishment… a blanket charge they use liberally.

      • Yes, I was wondering about the same thing pm, Martin on Sutton. I think Sutton did a reasonable job. His take on Sidney Warburg (whom he claims is overrated and probably fraudulent) is very balanced.

        On the other hand, after reading Sutton’s book, you might have the impression Wall Street conjured up Hitler out of nothing all by themselves. But can we blame Sutton for getting to the point without beating around the bush?

    • Bob, I have utterly refuted Anthony Sutton’s half truths here in this article – he will not name the true financiers of bolshevism jewish Jacob Schiff and jewish max Warburg

  33. Brownhawk permalink

    Here I’ll offer a different twist to the story.

    Apologists for the Nazis are essentially no different than the gung-ho Americans headed by the neo-cons in the executive branch in affiliation with the jewish-ridden New American Century Institute. Those who follow their lead see the World in black and white as the good guys wearing the white hats and riding the white Chargers doing the morally superior work as the World’s policemen. But in reality there are only gray areas when it comes to the machinations of States and their power plays.

    What may seem too far-fetched to many, but perhaps not so much anymore in these strange days getting stranger, is that what may be ultimately behind these Worldly players like Hitler, Stalin, the London/NY/Washington based moneypower are not even human at all. Some schools of thought suggest that non-human groups are behind the Protocols, and that THEY are the master
    puppeteers pulling the strings of the human puppets. After all, there’s a good reason why cliches like “truth is stranger than fiction” has withstood the test of time.

    I look outside the box when it comes to understanding what I see as the culminating and definitive moment in World history – the “clash of the titans” between Germany and the Soviet Union 1941-45. Preceding Barbarossa was a cat ‘n mouse game played by Hitler and Stalin involving Poland.
    Historically, the area now known as Poland has always been seen by the geo-political movers and shakers as what I would call a ‘power pivot-point’ in the great territorial scheme of things. In 1939 the phony ‘pact’ between Germany and Russia could be seen as kind of a ‘preliminary posturing’ for what they BOTH knew was to be an inevitable confrontation between the two sides.

    As a person with a native-american background my own unique sources point to certain legends that speak of two ancient enemies – what for purposes of explanation here could be called the Khazarians and the Aryans. These native stories speak of 2-races of non-humans that came to this planet thousands of years ago with the intent to take over and dominate it. Call them ancient galactic enemies for whom Eath became their most recent battleground. Virtually all of history can be looked at through this prism, as the legends would have it. And when you view it this way you come to understand, e.g.; how the invention of money provided BOTH with the chief operating tool to subvert the masses and keep them in line with the distractions of materialism, as they pursued their PRIMARY goal of achieving total power. Achievment that required riling up human minions to do the dirty work when waging wars.

    These legends make certain distinctions between the Aryans and Khazarians. Ones suggesting the Khazars to have a more virulent style in their suppressing ways, e.g.; the Christian massacre in Stalin’s Russia during the 20’s and 30’s – killing ugly and senselessly. Whereas the Aryan style is more methodical and matter of fact, stemming from a twisted perspective of racial superiority, i.e.; they murdered those who they saw as not deserving to live.

    The obvious bottom line for both of these psychopathic mindsets is imposition, suppression and control. Enemies against each other whose commonality is that they are ultimately the ancient enemy of mankind itself.
    Preceding Barbarossa was a cat’n mouse game played by Hitler and Stalin

  34. Anthony migchels blocks mike strobach for providing the absolute proof of die brechung der zinsknechtshaft, also because I pointed out he can’t speak german…

    To disprove anthony just read

    Economic management in the third reich
    Credit and money in our economy
    National socialists and the bank question

    He pretends they don’t exist like the disinfo jewish looking fairy that he is…

    • I didn’t ‘block’ you mike, there is nothing in the spamfolder either!

    • Can you please provide links? Google does not return anything on these phrases.

      • I know they don’t, that’s because of jewish media control, the best I could do is to borrow you the books but I should have it done here real soon so Im not sure what to tell you…

        • No insults Mike, bring facts and discussion to the table, no ‘Jewish Defense Force’ bullshit.

          Furthermore: I told you I speak German reasonably well, so please don’t regurgitate meaningless and factually wrong nonsense.

          I deleted your last few comments, feel free to repost in a civil manner. You are my guest here and I’m not so impressed with your stuff that I’m willing to put up with idiocy.

          • Are you trying to tell me that the books I am quoting from, the ones you cant find with google, don’t exist? I know you are not trying to suggest that, are you?

  35. Perhaps my question is a bit naive, as I admittedly have not researched monetary events leading to the Second World War in Europe. Nonetheless, I have often wondered at why Hitler’s war efforts included massive military attacks on nearly every country in Europe, yet he totally avoids simply stepping across the border into Switzerland, where a major amount of the world’s gold is available for seizure. If money and financial control were a part of his wish to dominate the world, wouldn’t it be more efficient to seize control of the gold reserves on deposit with the Swiss?

    • I’m not sure the Swiss would have easily rolled over. A long term alpine guerilla on his southern border would not have been pleasant and what would have been the casus belli against Switzerland?

      • Switzerland has tons of germans so by your pro jew logic, the evil hitler would have seized the world and what a great pretext in Switzerland, too bad you guys are all full of shit, not one of you has posted anything that resembles anything close to proof of hitler being a rot schild – bauer… where is this DNA evidence you guys all talk about? doesnt fucking exist

    • don’t listen to Anthony, he is a propagandist, you have to realize that hitler didn’t want war, just look into all the diplomatic archives like real researchers have done, Austria tried to rejoin Germany at the Versailles treaty but they were not allowed self determination, Austria voted over 96% to rejoin the fatherland, Anthony would call that invasion but it wasn’t, same with the saar, taken illegaly in 1919, when Germany signed he armistice in 1918 certain guarantees were made, than Germany was blockaded and about a million people were starved after the armistice was signed, when the germans got to Versailles they were confronted with ridiculous demands they would never have agreed to, basically they were duped, don’t forget over 100 jews were also at the signing and they stole and speculated every last bit of wealth out of Germany. Also the sudetenand was taken away, this is the czekoslavakian territory that later demanded re unification with Germany and idiots like Anthony also call that an invasion… Next, a newly formed state of Poland was allowed to take danzig, pommern, west preussen, pozen(birthplace of paul von Hindenburg) and upper schleien. suddenly millions of germans were under the control of Poland, read Richard blanke – orphans of versaille. This culminated in horrendous atrocities such as Bromberg massacres etc… their is plenty of footage of this as well, read der tod sprach polnisch, this was even mentioned by American diplomats as being animalistic and completely un allowable, of course we germans are sub humans so they deserve it, just read Theodore kaufmann Germany must perish or henry Morgenthau’s Morgenthau plan for Germany… So the invasion of German territory held illegaly by Poland really wasn’t an invasion. you can comb the archives and see that as fr back as 1934 Poland had attempted to enlist france in an invasion of Germany known as “operation west” on September 29th and 30th Poland made around 30 different sorties across the german border, this is 3 days before hitler finally gave the order for retaliation… the poles had been mutilating women children etc… and firing on refugees and also shooting down german commercial airliners fying from ost preussen…

      Now, france and England had declar3d war on Germany because Germany had decided not to allow the rape and murder of german civilians, once they moved troops into the neutral countries like Belgium Germany attacked, attacking a country that has declared war on you isn’t “invading” that country, it is defending yourself… When it comes to Russia, they had invaded 6 countries and had stationed within 50 kilometers 25,000 tanks, 19,000 airplanes and who knows how many million of troops who were found to be carrying german phrase books with phrases like “stop transmitting or Ill shoot” So when you actually look at the evidence not only did Germany NOT INVADE country after country as the bs propaganda says but they simply defended themselves from aggression

      Just google search daily express march 1933 JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY to find out who really started ww2 and why… it was all over economics, debt free currency, the same reason that JF Kennedy was killed, for printing debt free united states notes, JFK admired hitler very much by the way, American diplomats remarked at the time how Germany was fulfilling all the requirements of the versailles dictat and disarming etc… but the other powers absolutely refused to disaem… also, o many Europeans volunteered to fight for Germany against communism, its incredible that the story is so misrepresented

      • You know Mike I have read those books, and I agree the plan was to totally impoverish Germany, Morgenthau definitely wanted to kill all of the Germans, no argument on that. What is not registering here is it seems more likely when you weigh the facts that Hitler was in on the plan and so was Stalin. They both received some British instruction from the Tavistock Institute. Hitler was a Rothschild.

        • pat attention that’s how you use whats called facts and sources,,, instead of ridiculous controlled opposition statements of no effect, fact or bearing

    • Once again because Hitler was a Rothschild, The Rothschilds already owned the Swiss gold. Switzerland is handy banking house under total control of the vatican and they are all in with the London/Rothschild banking house. The queen curtsies to the pope, it is a pecking order. She is a figure head for the Rothschilds. Switzerland provides the Swiss guard for the vatican. Hitler left Germany disguised as a priest.

      Lucky farm boys simply don’t become chancellor of Germany, their volkswagon might have brake problems like the Austrian guy, Jorge Haider, or even Princess Diana. How could Hitler dance around Germany goose stepping and nothing happened?

      • Hello Dublinmick: Thank you for your response. I spent quite allot of time watching “The Greatest Story Never Told” yesterday. I must say I was rather amazed at the content. Hitler is raised to the status of sainthood in the film, and seemingly becomes Saint Michael for a brief moment in German history. This film is a complete departure from the Americanized version of WW II, and so it held my attention for the entire presentation.
        My grandfather was German born and educated, and continued his fathers newspaper “Der Wanderer” after immigrating to the US in 1904. Though I was too young to follow the intricacies of conversations between my grandfather, my father, and my three European educated uncles, it didn’t take allot of insight to see they understood the back door treacheries of Chamberlain, Churchill, and the maneuverings of those behind the scenes.
        Any time I have confronted others with Hitler’s connections to the Vatican/Swiss, I’ve been shouted down as a Nazi (perhaps due to name) even though my only intention was to question the seeming ineptitude of Hitler relative to wresting financial control away from Allied forces during the course of WW II.
        Like many others, I was indoctrinated into the stories of Germany becoming so cash poor, they had resorted to the extraction of gold from the dentin of Jews, and all the rest of the blarney so oft repeated. Why would these pittances of gold extraction be employed, when Switzerland (within easy reach) held the vast majority of gold ever mined or confiscated from the labors of others over the course of about 8,000 years? People would stare back, then return back to the Nazi sympathizer argument, which really wasn’t an argument at all. My grandfather would occasionally quip that propaganda was the new world’s Emperor, and he’s been proven correct many times over these last 100 years.

  36. Note – This article is of interest because it sheds some new light on how Hitler was perceived during the decade of the1930’s and after the war. Some of the quotations below may help solve the mystery of this giant figure of the 20th Century. -ed
    “After visiting these two places (Berchtesgaden and the Eagle’s lair on Obersalzberg), you can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambitions for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.” –John F. Kennedy ‘Prelude To Leadership – The European Diary of John F. Kennedy – Summer, 1945. Regnery Publishing, Inc. Washingon, DC. p 74
    “Yes, Heil Hitler. I, too, say that because he is truly a great man.” –David Lloyd George, Prime Minister, UK
    Following World War II, after 1945, Winston Churchill obviously read ‘Mein Kampf” and subsequentely expressed his opinion, to have “slaughtered the wrong pig” in WWII. (H. Sündermann, “Old Foe, What Now?”)
    “New findings of Russian researchers show that Hitler wasn’t the genius of evil as portrayed at all times by all sides.” –Berliner Morgenpost – Sunday, March 11, 2001
    “It is not the Germany of the first decade that followed the war- broken, dejected and bowed down with a sense of apprehension and impotence. It is now full of hope and confidence, and of a renewed sense of determination to lead its own life without interference from any influence outside its own frontiers. One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic and dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will and a dauntless heart.” –David Lloyd George, Prime Minister, UK The Daily Express 9-17-36
    To some he is the Devil incarnate. The Antichrist: the greatest evil in the history of man. To others he was a savior of man, standing up against the enslavers of the world. For some he is a genius that mankind will never see again for another thousand years. To many he was a secular Messiah with an ideology of optimism. To a larger majority he was simply a strong leader with many good ideas that could have made a better world. To his enemies he had every conceivable mental illness one could think of, usually the result, of some sexual deficiency in his make up. In this context we MUST remember that the persons giving this allegation have their learning based on the Jew Freud’s lectures. Scholars of the Third Reich dismiss his intellectual outlook as crude and simplistic. No one person in the 20th century has had such a profound effect as “the German Führer”. He raised a robbed, starving, broken, and defeated people into a well fed, motivated, happy, prosperous, industriously advanced and highly successful nation. This was all achieved in peace-time in an unbelievable six years. “There can be no doubt: National Socialism was part of a modernisation process in German society. It expedited the social changes in Germany. It transferred more to the underprivileged segments of society and brought equality and emancipation to women.” (Heinz Hoehne, Gebt mir vier Jahre Zeit [Give me Four Years], Ullstein Publishing House, Berlin-Frankfurt 1996, p. 10) It’s military, drawn from the people, now motivated by this powerful new philosophy, outnumbered and outgunned, became an almost invincible force that took the entire world to defeat. Its destruction, brought about by the international money power, (the enemies of the German and all opposition systems), destroyed it totally in a well-prepared plan of campaign of destruction. They used their vast money power to buy and control politicians and aristocrats around the world, and then used the military might of as many countries as possible to attack the Third Reich. “The real reason for America to go to war against Germany was Hitler’s disruption of a working world economy [NWO].” (Hitler’s Table Talks, Ullstein Publishers, Frankfurt 1989, p. 21 Hitler amazed the world in everything he accomplished. To the great majority of the German people he was a redeemer. He gave them real leadership and motivated them to the greatest heights of achievement in every field of endeavour. Germany was a pulsating hive of industry. Every section of the country responded to his ideas and encouragement. He gave the German people joy of being alive and a pride in simply being a German, instead of the humiliated broken people he had inherited.) There was an infectious feeling of excitement and expectancy in the land, as day by day and week by week, Hitler raised his people from the gutter and freed Germans from humiliation in other lands. For Hitler, “National Socialism was natural socialism.” He equated God with “the dominion of natural laws throughout the entire universe.” This idea was attractive and easily grasped by the German nation. Today it is a very modern philosophy. The only difference is that few understand that the so-called madman created it. To his admirers, he was a real patriot and a war hero, having suffered in the horrors of trenches during the First World War. The people sensed that at last they had found standing before them a man, in whom they could trust and who believed in himself and in the talents and abilities of his own people. It is not surprising then that intellectuals (Gertrude Stein) and politicians around the world, including the British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, who praised him highly when he wrote: “I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations.” (Winston Churchill in The London Times, Monday, November 7, 1938) And David Lloyd George (Ex-Prime Minister, UK), who stated in the Daily Express (Sep. 17, 1936): “It is not the Germany of the first decade that followed the war- broken, dejected and bowed down with a sense of apprehension and impotence. It is now full of hope and confidence, and of a renewed sense of determination to lead its own life without interference from any influence outside its own frontiers. One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic and dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will and a dauntless heart.” He created a Germany that influenced people from far beyond its borders. During the Second World War, a million foreigners joined the German Armed Forces (Waffen SS) simply because they believed in what he was trying to achieve, and willingly sacrificed themselves, for no reward except a profound belief in what they were fighting for. Hitler created visual images of National Socialism and the Third Reich that are so outstanding, that to this day no person or country, has ever surpassed its artistic and spiritual influence. These powerful images of the Third Reich have been so effective that even today Hollywood film studios have made billions of dollars since the end of World War 11, and still continue to fill theatre seats just on the power of Hitler’s name. His use of the ancient sign of the Swastika is the most famous and easily recognized emblem around the world today, and memorabilia of the Third Reich changes hands for high prices at public auctions or private sales rooms. Tens of thousands of people purchase copies of Third Reich archive material, and in the privacy of their own homes, watch in fascination at the man who attempted to change the world and bring back simplicity to its organization. At the Holocaust Museum in Washington, where concentration camps facilities are on display alongside a film-hall which shows the famous NSDAP Party Convention in Nuremberg (Leni Riefenstahl, Triumph of The Will). This hall is continuously packed with spellbound visitors whilst the sections, showing “Jewish sufferings”, are almost always empty. Endless books have been published on the Third Reich mostly vilifying Hitler and his supporters. You know because he was a rot schild SUPPOSEDLY… Some years ago the German historian Rainer Zitelmann, in a scholarly study established that Hitler’s outlook was “rational, self-consistent, and modern” Hitler had a mixed attitude towards the United States. He praised its pre-1940s pro-white racial policies and restrictions on non-white immigration and its pioneering adoption of eugenics measures. Whilst the American Apartheid System lasted until 1963, Hitler was dismayed by the spectacular growth of Jewish power which attempted to introduce the KaufmanPlan (“Germany must Perish”) by using the American democratic system for their own agenda. Kaufman’s Plan, he called it “The Final Solution”, sought to exterminate out the entire German nation through sterilization and was cheered by American politicians and the mass media: “A Sensational Idea” (Time Magazine) Many people in position of authority, who continue to praise him today, have to do so clandestinely, or they face the wrath and retribution of the Jewish World Congress. Less well-known figures must watch their words, or they will be dubbed a Nazi and can face discrimination and dismissal from their place of work. In some countries they can be fined and imprisoned. Governments (especially in ” Democratic Germany”) are terrified of any movement that has similarities to the style or ideas of the German Führer, and arrest, punish or fine, any individual who dares to show his support for or express serious interest in his ideals. In most democratic countries (especially Germany), his books are banished and publishers face arrest and are heavily fined for publishing National Socialist material. According to the Annual Report of the ‘German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution’ (George Orwell could not have invented a more sinister title) the German persecution machinery prosecuted between 1994 and 2002 a total of 80.703 citizens for expressing politically incorrect opinions in Germany. In Britain, the United States and in Israel his book Mein Kampf can be easily obtained. The universities of Israel have many copies of “Mein Kampf” which are used for political studies by the students. Not a day goes by without television stations around the world broadcasting programmes on Hitler and his policies. The Holocaust is the most discussed subject now in the world of politics. The modern day liberal intellectuals, who to one man, have been forced to accept the new multicultural experiment on mankind, (promoted by a race, who themselves do not practise what they preach), mostly condemn his ideas. While magazines and newspapers constantly mention Hitler’s name usually accompanied by a dramatic photo of him for their readers to gloat over. Intellectuals, mostly Jewish, still continue trying to unfathom the mystery, of where and how this immense power came about. Nervous rabbis, deranged by centuries of Cabalistic indoctrination, have uneasy notions that Hitler was sent by the enemy of their God Yahweh, to do battle with them in preparation of the final battle yet to come. Other Jews are so impressed with his single mindedness, his abilities and strength, that they have even suggested, that he was in fact Jewish by birth, (subtly implying that no matter how evil he has been portrayed, by their own media propaganda agencies), only a person of Jewish blood could ever be such a genius. Josef Stalin, the greatest mass murderer in the history of man (along with his Jewish commissars) does not even warrant a single second of advertising, i.e. gas pistols and toy weapons as well as funeral parlours. Finally, Roosevelt, the exemplar of economic globalisation is not worthy of even a mention in modern economic forums. If these three individuals had not chosen Adolf Hitler as their number one enemy, their destinies would have been total oblivion. Their fame still depends on Adolf Hitler. Without him, they are non-entities. Especially amongst the Jewish people, to keep up the anti-Semitic pressure on their “own race” (dubbing of swastikas on Jewish Cemeteries) to prevent the vast majority of the Jewish people from race mixing and abandoning their historic mission. In discourses and speeches, every political party or politically orientated group will at some time in their existence, bring forth the name of Hitler. It is always safe for them to use his name. He never goes away. His philosophy is like a siren song, calling out to his admirers and to the millions of confused people who sense that his views of “natural laws” are correct, and are the only laws that can be understood and trusted in our multi-cultural, in harmonious and devious New World Order. The allure of Hitlerism is contagious for young and old alike. Heil Hitler!

  37. dublinsmick your site where you claim to have hiters dna results doesn’t have hitlers dna results, why do you even say things you cant back up? its ridiculous, do some research instead of being the worlds biggest liar and windbag, even Anthony cant fault this comment, the guy has 0 sources I mean why waste anyone’s time talking about aliens and bs like that?

    • I noticed that field marshall Strobach stopped by my blog. I left this comment for you.

      Stop goose stepping for a moment Mike and clear your head. There certainly are DNA tests on the relatives of your warlord hero and they are as khazar as moses. Why don’t you see what you can do about convincing Scotland yard to release the remains of the bunker that is sealed for 100 years. They will not of course because he wasn’t in it.

      Genetic tests were performed by Ronny Decorte, genetics expert at katholieke Universiteit Leuvend. I have never heard this school has not maintained accreditation.Over 700,000 hits on that WP blog of yours in a few months also sounds bogus Mike. I have been blogging too long to believe that.

      There can’t be that many storm troopers out there ready to invade Russia,and half of Europe simultaneously.

      It is my contention your efforts would be better served pointing out your Fuhrer’s family is still running Europe and the USA, still printing the money, still initiating foreign wars, false flags, (like the Reischstag fire), promoting agenda 21, poisoning the food, selling vaccine and subverting every country being touched by them. I am not interested in helping field marshall Carolyn Yeager, Spingola and Kaminski sell books and get people’s doors caved or marching under top heavy crosses.

      You and the rest of your comrades are just a diversion Mike to sell books and divert attention to the past while ignoring the many dire problems many countries and the world face at present. Phony money is a large part of that problem also and you don’t seem to want to talk much about that.

      • dublinsmick, there is no way that my blog even has 7,000 hits, where the hell did you get this 700,000 number from? I could post a screen shot of my stats if you like? just because you drabble in ridiculous ufo theories and can not show any dna evidence on hitler doesn’t ean you have to stoop to making things up, are you jewish? I know people in Ireland, where are you from?

  38. Anthony I would put the clamps down on people saying hitler is a rot schild without EVIDENCE before you are known as a pathetic propagandist, just saying, the huge emphasis on claims with no evidence reflect poorly on you, particularly on you being known as a hitler hater rather than an economist, think about it man, not good… is that what you want to be known as?

    • I allow your stuff mike, as long as you are not degenerating into verbal abuse. You endlessly repeat Feder’s work, even in the face of clear and present evidence that he did not have much influence, once Hitler came to power and without you offering any evidence at against my premise that the Reichsmark was created as an interest-bearing debt through fractional reserve banking during the Hitler years.

      It’s called freedom of speech and the exchange of ideas. It’s how people grow.

      But not to worry: Justice4Germans is an excellent forum to go to if you want only people known to tow the party line to be allowed to comment: he didn’t post a very reasonable and non-confrontational comment by me and he also didn’t post dublinsmick!

      That we call either National Socialism or Communism and it’s only one of the problems I have with it.

      • migchels, I didn’t post your comment on my united states note article as it was irrelevant t the article

        You’re doing well Mike, in the sense that you focus on the right subject. But there is a lot of disinformation and manipulation. Like the Hungarian story.

        Lincoln’s Greenbacks, unfortunately, were backed by interest-bearing bonds and America paid billions (a lot of money back then) in interest in the decades after the war.

        I see perhaps we share the same views of Lincoln as a cruel tyrant under the complete control of jewish finance, a man who held the Maryland congress at gunpoint and wouldn’t allow them to vote on seccession, a man who invaded new York and murdered draft resistors, a man who held 250,000 northerners in prison for opposing his illegal war of aggression against the south, a man who allowed jewish speculators to buy up the southern economy after the war, do you share these views? I have to admit I didn’t read the article you wrote about Lincoln but I will

        My United states note article has nothing to do with lincolns greenbacks, Kennedy was clearly making an attempt at debt free currency, if you are wondering, yes I believe the south was the true heirs of the the founders, however the united states constitution is a piece of jewish free mason trash, Patrick Henry, Richard Lee and George Mason were the real heroes of the revolution not the jewish guy Alexander Lavien aka Hamilton for the jewish community of nevis…

        It remains to be seen exactly what is happening in Hungary, everything in my article is correct except that neither of us have been able to prove that their currency is or is not debt free

        May I recommend some reading for you? my friend JB sums it up best here

        • It seems only natural that you would defend the slave labor plantation economy of the confederate south. Nazi Germany thrived on slave labor too, despite all of the blather about workers rights (or did they only mean that for politically connected Germans). Your understanding of the civil war is as distorted as your idolatrous worship of AH.

          Webster Tarpley has the correct version and it is backed up with sources.

          • Webster tarpley is joke… by coincidence I just finished an article that has much bearing, with ORIGINAL sources, none of this unprovable BS


            by the way, the German practice of arresting communist’s who it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt were all jews, was a good thing. We could have stopped over 100 million murders since 1945 in Russia, China and South America by allowing the destruction of communism as George S Patton wanted to do in conjunction with Germany – source – The Patton Papers

            The practice of forcing jews who had stolen so much from the Nations to perform manual labor for the first time in 2,000 years aka the concentration camps of Germany was a noble enterprise, that is exactly what is needed now.

          • Im not efending the jewish slave labour practice of the south, Im pointing out that the issue had nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with economic servitude of the south to northern idustrialists, according to jewish author Seymour B liebmann in the book NEW WORLD JEWRY all slave ships were jewish owned, they ran the trade and southern jews 2 % of the south’s population accounted for over 50% of all slave ownership, that point here is that slavery, which was predominately propped up b jews, shoul not be used to distract us from an economic stranglehold of northern idustrialists over poverty stricken southern farmers who were mostly too poor to buy slave from the local jewsih merchant…

          • Herr Lieberman’s thesis makes no sense. Why would northern industrialists try to undermine the confederate south’s exports if they were profiting from the slave trade? Why would they support a war mandated by the emancipation proclamation? They wouldn’t do this unless they were competing against one another for the same market of goods and wished to eliminate their competitor.

            The fact of the matter is that Lincoln, regardless of what you believe his personal beliefs to be, did something the money power would never have done: he ended slavery. He also preserved the union from balkanization and foreign conquest from Britain and France. To this latter feat we owe a debt of thanks to the Russians with their warships.

        • “nationalconscience commented on Hitler’s Finances, a Response to my Critics.”

          It would be necessary for you to validate the data on Lincoln you cited. Other sources I have read reported that the Rothschild’s required 28% interest for any loans Lincoln would have been given to finance his Civil War. Lincoln therefore printed Greenbacks to pay Union troops without floating any bonds. Else, why would he have been assassinated as JFK was? How everything turned out suggests you may very well be in error.

          Perhaps the reporter who has already weighed in from AFP has information ready to support the correct answer.

          Daniel S. Krynicki

          • Im not an expert on Lincoln but Ill get to it, if you are trying to say that Lincoln didn’t invade New York during the draft riots or that he didn’t hold Maryland’s congress at gunpoint literaly than you must not be very smart, its a fact of history, as well as his arrest of somewhere around 250,000 northern opposition types who were aginst his economic enslavement of the south… Just because jews assassinated Lincoln for not borrowing money from them has no bearing, are you suggesting that factions throughout history do not have internal power struggles? Seriously man, that’s ridiculous

        • I don’t care for people calling for the murder of others Mike. Campbell is a total idiot, clearly out there to give reasonable people a bad name.

          You didn’t post the article, because, other than Real Currencies, you National Socialists are not interested in discussion. You are interested in people towing the party line. Clearly I don’t.

          • I didn’t post your comment because it was entirely irrelevant to the topic – UNITED STATES NOTES FROM 1963, Im not really a national socialist because I do not agree with those who claim to be national socialists… JB Campbell is not an idiot, he is one of the only people telling the truth about what each one of us knows in his heart of hearts must be done, seriously? you do not stand for freedom and punishment of the controllers? wake up man, we are under the law of the gun and all peaceful avenues have been exhausted, we cant ask them to stop, we cant take them to court, we cant vote them out, they only understand violence so what is your solution?

          • Anthony I don’t give a crap about some party line… I care about historical TRUTH and the working mans money not going into jewish banker pockets… you know this goes back to you saying that you disproved Feder, Id like to know how that is? In Economic Management in the 3rd Reich, national socialists and the bank question and money and credit in our economy he clearly stated exactly how all of this was done, you really have not disproven that at all. I don’t care if you cant find it on the internet I hold 1930’s original copies passed down and I have them in front of me now… Also, Walther Funk was a protégé of Gottfried Feder and he co authored some of the breaking of interest servitude works, he took over from schact and continued Feder’s programs… that’s like you saying schact owned I G Farben which is a flat out lie… seriously, why cant you come to terms with any of this?

      • Anthony
        national socialism promoting a national economy and class co operation
        communism promoting international theft from the nation and class warfare
        Polar Opposites, yet you cll them the same? care to prove that argument?

        • Communism is Nationalism for the Jews Mike. Just as the Jewish Nation is God to the Jews, the German Nation was God to Hitler. National SOCIALISM is communism: it equates the Nation with the State, meaning the State is God. It cares not for the individual., who is just a cog in the wheel and can be destroyed if he gets weird ideas of his own.

          Liberation comes to the individual and the Nation through Spirit, not through the State.

          About Dublinsmick: you’re reinforcing what you consider a meme by keeping coming back at it. You’ve told him a zillion times he’s wrong, strongly inviting him to come back again. Saying you disagree once is more than plenty. While I don’t go along uncritically with what he’s sharing, there certainly is merit in it. There are problems with Hitler and I, for one, would not be surprised should he be proven to be bloodline. The fact is that he gave the Money Power everything they wanted and the sooner you wake up to that, the sooner you can start learning the lessons for the next round of this fight.

          After all: doing the same expecting different results deservedly has a bad name.

    • I’m not responsible for other’s messages mike. As you know I, unlike some National Socialist websites, appreciate the free flow of ideas. I have far more problems with your uncivilized namecalling, so I’m now going to wipe out a few comments where you succumb to this unfortunate habit.

  39. redux: Migchels and the chihuahua on .mp3

    You are the groupie (which pre-requires ignorance), but somehow i am the dummy…..
    it is you who admires plagiarists and liars, which requires low moral character……
    *// contempt for conspiracist book-peddlers is the result of learning

    of course, you would not answer; how could you support notions that a man investing his money, time, effort, should not expect a return…..
    we heard this high sounding fart 45 years ago when the maggot infested hippies were young and dizzy….. today this locust generation is on its way out, after devastating a prosperous world they inherited in the 1960s, and leaving behind desolation and a deep hole, demanding other people’s money to the last minute of their earthly exitence…..

    here is reality on gold

    not too far from where I camp, a guy is prospecting (many people do that in British Columbia, and just about every section in the country is claimed, just-in-case even if not worked); by panning for gold, he makes a living off the grid (not a rich living)
    what does he do with the grains he finds?
    in the old days, when gold was circulating medium, he could have taken the proceeds of his invested times and effort to the nearest mint and had the gold shaped into coin; today the nearest mint is 2,500km away, so he sells his gold for bank of Canada notes (which are actually made of plastic)

    now, this gold (and silver and copper) enters into the money supply, or the integrated circuit supply, completely free of debt, free of interest
    just as in the old days, when coinage was free, and people regularly took silver/gold to the mint

    years ago I pospected for copper; if I had taken 50ponds of copper to the nearby mint and had this copper turned into pennies, these 1-cent copper coins would have joined the money supply and entered into circulation debt-free and interest-free……

    yes, the criminal element, the promoters of paper money and the credit system, often borrowed (already existing and already in the money supply) gold to facilitate their criminal enterprise, to generate credit and credibility for themselves and their project;
    gold was never lent into circulation –no paper money promoter could have stayed in business if he had been as dumb as present-day groupies and parted with the seed of his printing-press credit scheme; it was credit in the form of paper notes that was lent into circulation…….

    logic and common sense is far be it from you; in your ignorace you are parrotting ideas put forward by promoters of paper money and the credit system 200 years ago; promoters of the wildest of the “wild-cat” printing-press banking schemes

    • you don’t get it name: the newly mined stuff is close to irrelevant. The mainstay of a Gold based money supply would be based on already existing supplies. These WOULD be lent into circulation.

      • but, neither you, nor any of your friends could cite one example when gold or silver coin was lent into circulation

        • It’s ALWAYS lent into circulation Name! The only time it’s ‘debt-free’ is when it’s dug up, the minute it enters the banking system, it does not leave it other than as a debt. I really don’t know how to make this clearer.

          • “The only time it’s ‘debt-free’ is when it’s dug up, the minute it enters the banking system, it does not leave it other than as a debt. I really don’t know how to make this clearer.

            I little leaven leavens the whole lump.

          • only if i inhaled the same glue you have

          • Tertius permalink

            There are two ways you can get cash from a bank. The one is if you borrow money from the bank. Then whatever money you get leaves the bank as debt and at present you will pay interest on that loan until you repay it in full. The other situation is if you have a positive bank balance. In that case the bank gives you debt free money and reduces your credit at bank i.e. positive bank balance by the amount of notes they have given you.
            Is this incorrect? I think it is very clear.

            So a group of gold prospectors can all deposit their gold nuggets at a gold smith (bank). The gold smith can then assay it and then enter the current value of pure gold in nugget as a credit to account of prospector. The nuggets can then be melted to make gold coins or ingots for storage. The prospector can then come back at any time to get a gold certificate or gold coins in which case his positive bank balance will be reduced by the amount withdrawn.

            If the bank supplies gold certificates or gold coins to any of their customers with a positive balance, then that money does not leave the bank as a debit. It only leaves the bank as a debit if the bank customer goes in overdraft and in fact borrows from the bank (either the bank’s own funds or of the bank’s customers). It is all about correct and accurate accounting not the form of the currency. In accounting there are debits and credits. What you owe to others and what you have or is owed to you.

            It is a mistake to view all money as debt. This error is due to the dominance of the current fractional reserve banking system in our minds. When a bank makes a loan in the fractional reserve system, all it really does is is to provide a credit note via the buyer who made the loan to a supplier. In this scenario the money leaves the bank as debt, a debt owed to the bank as the legal system of a country guarentees the credit note supplied. This credit note received can then be traded by the supplier to his own suppliers. If the person who made the loan pays the loan back to the bank, the credit note is made legitimate from an accounting perspective. The fact that the bank can do this is because the state supplies it with the legal authority and enforcement system to do so depending on the banking regulations. What the real guarrentee is not the banks assets to honour the credit note but the bank’s ABILITY TO ENSURE THAT THE LOAN IS PAID BACK! So most people, including you, will accept any payment from either national or international authorised financial service providers because even if you don’t like them, you still trust the abilities of the banking system you use.

            I don’t agree with the fact that interest is paid to a bank on credit notes issued by them. But that is another discussion….

          • It’s true that if you withdraw money from a bank while you’re in the black you don’t owe the bank.

            However, the money that you are holding was created by someone else going into debt and someone is paying interest over the money you are holding.

        • Dear name789: RE: Gold coinage. See Roman Empire circa 300BC to about 300AD

  40. Webster Tarpley and the Tsar of Russia rushing to the aid of Abraham Lincoln
    The same Webster Tarply who presents Alexander Hamilton as a tragic victim of the anti-Bank of the United States forces (because wants us to believe that organizing a branch bank of Baring & Brothers co. is the way to liberating the United States from the money power residing in London); the same Tarpley who presents Henry Clay as a nationalist hero, tirelessly working for the internal improvement of the United States

    Konstantin, US-Russian Entente that Saved the Union
    Tarpley, US-Russian Alliance that Saved the Union

    Tarpley: the Tsar ready to defend Lincoln

    Tarpley and the LaRouche crew are about the only people in conspiracy circles who studied history and researched the subjects on which they write.
    Therefore, it can only be for nefarious reasons that they twist the truth, that they withold certain facts, that they use what they learned to present a twisted picture…..

    Tarpley knows full well who the House of Romanov were, what sort of society they organized in Russia and in the countries they conquiered? Another name for Russia of the Romanovs used to be “cemetery of nations”……

    This House of Romanovs, these paragons of national independence and individual freedom, are held up by Tarpley (and the dumb and dumber) as the hero in shining glory, who sent his naval ships to America with sealed instruction……. to preserve the outhority of the Federal government, “to restore cotton to loyalty”, to aid “a reconstruction of but one government over all the states of our confederacy”

    What other Union have the House of Romanov helped out ? In 1848, silly and misguided individuals in Hungary got this absurd idea into their pretty heads that they seceed from the Union of the Habsburg Empire, which the Habsburg considered perpetual and inviolable…… By 1849 these disloyal, cranky and ungrateful Hungarians were making headways, and they were winning the war for secession; not to worry: the House of Romanov to the aid and rescue of the Empire of Habsburgs, and the Union was saved, the authority and constitution of the central government in Vienna was restored…….

    Some hero you people pick for yourselves…….

    Who was Abraham Lincoln, whose central government needed the aid of the Tsar of Russia ? Not an unwitting tool of bankers, but a willing partner and instrument of theirs who knew full well what he was doing……

    Who were these bankers, in whose behalf Lincoln killed 600,000 people, burned down cities and food stores and put women and children out on the snow in the middle of Winter without food and shelter ?
    Well, they were the circle of friends from Frankfurt:

    Lazard Speyer-Ellissen & Co. —- Speyer & Co.
    Seligmann & Stettheimer —- J.&W. Seligmann
    Deutsche bank —- Speyer & Co.
    Disconto Gesellschaft —- Kuhn Loeb & Co.
    Darmstaedter Bank —- Hallgarten & Co.
    Bleichroeder —- Landeburg, Thalmann & Co.
    add to this the Dresdner Bank —- J.P. Morgan & Co.

    Who were Abraham Lincoln’s and Portland Chase’s fiscal advisers during the war years ?
    Oh dear; August Belmont and Joseph Seligman

    Joseph Seligman was one of the vice-presidents of the Union Square mass-meeting called in aid of the Union on April 20, 1861, during the Civil war, and his firm, J&W Seligman & Co., rendered the government signal service in maintaining its credit and floating its bonds, and for a time Seligmann & Stettheimer, in Frankfurt, were the official bankers to the United States

    Mr. Seligman more then $100million US bonds in Farnkfurt…
    *//Who advised Lincoln to pick Hugh McCulloch as Secretary of the Treasury ? Who advised Hugh McCulloch with reduction of currency ?

    Very far form the floor in the conspiracist house of card —far from the figment that the regurgitators sold to us— the House of Rothschild did NOT want to split the United States into two units; NO, what they wanted was to keep it as one unit, reconstructed under the absolute power of the central government in Washington (similar to the power of the central government of the Habsburg Empire in Vienna). While the regurgitators have to resort to quote fabrication, invention of death-bed confessions 50 years after the fact to prop up their house cards; while Tarpley has to resort to lying and witholding facts, we have Mr. Belmont’s handwritten statement and recorded actions to demonstrate that the House of Rothschild was on the side of Abraham Lincoln.

    What else has the Frankfurt money power wanted ?
    A banking system –not a central bank, as the Bank of the United States was, but a network of banks, issuing national currency based on permanent federal debt; and Abraham Lincoln –with the support of the Tsar of Russia– was more than happy to establish this banking system:—

    We do not pretend, that a National Bank can establish and maintain a sound and uniform state of currency in the country, in spite of the National Government; but we do say, that it has established and maintained such a currency, and can do so again, by the aid of that Government; and we further say, that no duty is more imperative on that Government, than the duty it owes the people, of furnishing them a sound and uniform currency.
    —Abraham Lincoln, December 26, 1839.
    a national bank is highly necessary and proper to the establishment and maintenance of a sound currency, and for the cheap and safe collection, keeping, and disbursing of the public revenue.
    —Abraham Lincoln, March 1, 1843.
    I know of none which promises so certain results as the organization of banking associations. To such associations the Government might furnish circulating notes, on the security of United States bonds deposited in the Treasury.
    —Abraham Lincoln, December 1, 1862.
    currency can be furnished by banking associations, as suggested in my message at the beginning of the present session.
    —Abraham Lincoln, January 17, 1863.

    *// Webster Tarply knows this full well, and he is very proud of Lincoln for making such statements

    The House of Romanov rushed to the aid of Abraham Lincoln to make sure the plans of the House of Rothschild are carried out; to make sure that Napoleon’s annoying nefew do not throw a monkey wrentch into their scheme, upon which they have been working dedicatedly in the past 20-30 years.
    Napoleon’s nefew, the designated villain in Tarpley’s nefarious story and in the regurgitations of the book-peddlers, had obnoxious ideas —national agriculture, national industry, silver money stable currency issued by a bank in the service of the nation, latin league of silver coin users— he had to be put out of his misery. The ill-advised and ill-fated venture in Mexico was one step; the war with the Frankfurt money power’s other willing instrument, Bismarck (who, for the sake and benefit of this money power, already demonatized silver in the are under his control), was more than happy to oblige, to remove this obstacle from the way of progress

    On August 22, 1767, a ukaz of Catherine II deprived serfs of all legal status and protection of the laws, providing that “if any serf shall dare to present a petition against his master he shall be punished with the knout and transported for life to the mines of Nerchinsk.” An advertisement in the Moscow Gazette of 1801 ran as follows:—

    To Be Sold:– Three coachmen, well trained and handsome, and two girls, the one eighteen and the other fifteen years of age, both of them good-looking and well acquainted with various kinds handiwork. In the same house there are for sale two hairdressers; the one, twenty-one years of age, can read, write, play on a musical instrument, and act as huntsman; the other can dress ladies’ and gentlemen’s hair; in the same house are sold pianos and organs.

    The long-awaited Law of Emancipation, the cherished dream of every Russian peasant, was signed on March 3, 1861, liberating, all told something over 23,000,000 serfs. The signing of the law was followed by the “Great Manifesto,” which was read in all the churches. But disappointment soon displaced the first jubilation, and distrust began to creep into the heart of the liberated as they gradually learned to comprehend the terms of the law. Abstract conceptions of civic right and legalistic assurances of independence left the peasant cold and unmoved, if not reduced to concrete, tangible facts.

    President Abraham Lincoln on how to emancipate negro slaves:–
    “I can not make it better known than it already is that I strongly favor colonization
    if gradual emancipation and deportation be adopted, they will have neither to flee from. Their old masters will give them wages at least until new laborers can be procured, and the freedmen in turn will gladly give their labor for the wages till new homes can be found for them in congenial climes and with people of their own blood and race”

    Henry Clay, the mentor of Abraham Lincoln and the hero of Webster Tarpley, on dealing with negroes:–
    With respect, however, to the great question of the final disposition of the African race among us, he would take the liberty to remark that, in his opinion, the first great effort should be to rid our country of the free blacks as a preliminary measure.

    The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was not a major event, but simply an organizational adjustment of the National currency Bank System, with which Abraham Lincoln blessed the United States in February 1863.

    For a century, and especially since Eustace Mullins published his work in the 1950s, conspiracy book-peddlers have been running up and down Jekyll island, looking for a boogie man under every banker, when they simply should have read the text of the National currency Bank Act and the Federal Reserve Act

    • Interesting stuff!

      But is it really true the Czar was a Money Power friend? He did crush the Hungarian rebellion, but they were autocrats and despised populism. As such they were real competitors to the Money Power: they didn’t borrow from them. At the time of the Russian ‘revolution’, they were sitting on the biggest Gold pile ever, for instance. All their development in the late 19th century was financed with their own financial system, independent from the international bankers.

      As I understand it, the Russian fleet at the time of the Civil War happened to be there for other reasons: war in Poland was threatened and this was bringing the Russians grief with the Brits and French again (having been slaughtered in the Crimea) and their fleet was safer in the West than in their home waters. It probably did discourage the Brits and French at the time, but I don’t really believe it was why the Czar was there with his ships.

      I do agree of course the Rothschilds had no interest in breaking up the Republic they needed to unite the World for them in the Pax Americana, but to assume the Czar was doing their bidding their is perhaps taking it a step too far. It seems the Rothschilds would have had an easier time of it keeping the British fleet away, then sending the Czar’s there.

      • >>>>>But is it really true the Czar was a Money Power friend?
        No; it is not what I said; they were morons; the Rothschilds played them like a fiddle; the british oligarchy played the Romanovs like a fiddle, too: for the sake of the London oligarchy the Romanovs defeated Napoleon, so England rewarded them with the Crimea;
        for the sake of England Russia rushed headlong into the Great war (that last Tsar should have been tried and executed for crimes against his own nation)

        >>>>Russian fleet
        as was said, nothing is worth believing until it has been officially denied; it has been officially denied;
        Henry Clews, the bard of Wall street, published an official denial in his 50 years on Wall street

      • Tarpley does seem to have a certain personal spin in some areas. Many people I have found like to say how life was so terrible under the Tsars. Well you know there were a lot of wars going on. The locals in England and France were not exactly throwing steaks on the grill either.

        I agree with you Anthony. The Tsars were no friend of the crown dating back to Ivan The Terrible. He consolidated Russia and prepared the way for Peter the Great. Ivan used to take agents of the crown and sit the them on kegs of dyanamite in the town square and blow them into a fine mist. The vatican sent representative to discuss incorporation and were told that Ivan was the divine representative of God on earth and they should go home.

        Now Nicolas II was had some British cousins and his wife was German. He played ball to a certain extent but there is no doubt they wanted him out of power in order to seize the vast resources and gold of Russia. They managed it very well under Lenin also I might add.

        I have a link with some very good information on that time period.

        The Tsar’s 4 daughters were also reportedly raped.

        “By the end of 2008, the Russians were expected to decide between two ideological systems: between Communism as represented by Stalin and his fanatical band of murderous Cheka Jews or the conservative and traditional values of old-fashioned Tzarism. Until quite recently, Stalin had remained slightly ahead of Tzar Nicholas II. “Then, however, the Tzar mysteriously pulled ahead.” (Die Welt, 17 July 2008, page 1)

        After that, no further choice was necessary.

        The Jewish Lobby was of course hoping that a Tzarist cult would never rise again. Given that the Tzar had been the great adversary of the Bolshevik Jews, the Jewish Lobby did all it could to blacken the reputation of the Tsars. Now however, the Russians again see in Tzar Nicholas II a kind of savior who, like Jesus Christ, had made an enemy of the Jews and had suffered martyrdom.

        Fortunately, we now know the identities of the six Jewish assassins who were involved in this historic crime. In overall charge of the operation was the Jew Sverdlov. He had five Jewish henchman — Yurovsky, Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov — who not only took part in the actual murder of the family but are reported to have sexually violated the Tsar’s four beautiful daughters, described here as “these pure, enchanting young girls.”

        There is some discussion out there concerning whether the Tsar’s daughters were raped. It seems to come from an English speaking tutor who was locked into a cabin nearby the girls.

        “This is a thought that I just haven’t been able to get out of my head. In King and Wilson’s Fate of the Romanovs, there is an account on page 140-141 by Gibbes about the Grand Duchesses on Rus. . .

        “The abuse reached a crescendo as the night wore on. Gibbes, locked away in his cabin, listened helplessly, as he later told his son George, as the drunken guards harassed the Grand Duchesses. ‘It was dreadful, what they did,’ the former tutor recalled. The ‘terrified screams’ of the girls, Gibbes said, haunted him ‘to the end of his life.”

      • If anyone bothered to read and listen to discussions I’ve linked to, Tarpley has provided more than just anecdotal speculation: Wharton Barker’s account proves that the Czar Alexander viewed a British and France attack against the USA as cause belli for war. The captains of the Russian ships had secret orders to defend the North should they have been attacked. It’s really stretching one’s imagination to believe that the Russians would park their fleets in new York and San Fransisco in anticipation of war in Poland. Makes little military sense either.

        Mike stobach is right about insisting upon historical sources (what counts as a legitimate source is another matter). Anecdotal theories are good for ratings but not serious discussions to settle the truth on any matter. They only engender contentious debates and discredit what truth you do possess, especially if they are proven false.

        • Hello pm: You commented: “The captains of the Russian ships had secret orders to defend the North should they have been attacked. It’s really stretching one’s imagination to believe that the Russians would park their fleets in New York and San Francisco in anticipation of war in Poland. Makes little military sense either.”

          Yes, quite. Considering the duration of trans-Atlantic or Pacific crossings possible in the 1860’s, frivolously parking one’s navy in a foreign harbor thousands of mile away from home base seems dubious at best. (See Pearl Harbor, ahem) This could certainly not be construed as a “protective” naval deployment to be away from potential attack in the Baltic. The move had to be intended as one of provocation or warning to British and French banking interests. There also had to be ample foresight to initiate this sort of protracted move. Anyone out there in documentation land have captain’s logs or the numbers of ships involved? Ports of call or transit?

          The reason I ask the seeming rhetorical question, is that proof of these moves on the international chessboard would indicate or confirm who the vested financial protagonists were. In modern times, covert black ops have become the norm. Yet even in the deep cover of such intrigues, the financing is eventually exposed. (See Saudi/amerikun financing and support of the Syrian “chemical attack” as a parallel)

        • So what, anything truthful like Gottfried Feder – economic management in the 3rd reich isn’t acceptable but calling hitler a Rothschild with no evidence is? What about Professor and historian Werner Masser who utterly disproved any possibility of hitler being jewish or a rot schild in the book Hitler legend myth and reality? Is that acceptable? What about Buchenwald inmate Paul Rassinier, is he an acceptable source on the holyco$t or only Hollywood actors like Dario gabi…

          The fact of the matter is that dublinsmick is un intelligent he doesn’t even realize that the propaganda story of hitler’s supposed Jewishness NEVER ONCE SAID he was a rot schild, it said that he was a frankenreither, a frankenberger or the grandson of Abraham eyliyohn, never a rotschild, the supposed interview with Patrick Hitler claiming that Hitler was jewish never occurred, I challenge all of you to produce it. We know Abraham eyliyohn was 5 years old when Alois was born but yet he is supposed to be his father? yeah right…

          On october 14th, 1933 the british daily mirror, owned by jewish press magnate lord beaverbrook, published the photograph of a jewish tombstone of one abraham eyliyohn, a bucharest jew whom the mirror claimed to be hitlers grandfather. This claim received wide acceptance throughout the english speaking world and had to wait for historian werner maser to expose it as an absurdity. Eyliyohn’s birth certificate preceded by five years the birth certificate of hitlers father alois! So are we to believe that a 5 year old fathered a child? I think not!

          Is this evidence? Is this accepted?

          Then a “confession” was wrenched from the tortured nuremburg prisoner hans frank that a jew had made hitlers grandmother pregnant. An american officer by the name of sixtus o’connor was the recipient of this amazing confession, which named the jew in question as a certain frankeireither from graz in austria. This assertion was supposedly corroborated by an article written by some distant relative of hitler’s (Patrick) and published in the august 5, 1939 edition of paris soir. Again werner maser pointed out that neither the name frankeireither nor the name frankenberger, as it had also been quoted, appeared in any records of graz. Furthermore, not a single jew had lived in graz from the time of the fifteenth century until ten years after the death of hitlers grandmother. When maser then checked the paris soir article, he was surprised to find that the name frankeireither or frankenberger was never even mentioned. Thus another piece of nuremburg “evidence” was based on torture and fabrication.

          According to original documents reproduced in Werner Masser’s Hitler legend myth and reality Adolf Hitler was the son of Alois hitler the son of Johan Nepomuk Hüttler, not his brother Johan Georg Heidler, anyone who actually speaks german knows that the transliteration of Hüttler to Hitler makes absolute sense, this was not an accident as portrayed on the jewish owned history or hitler channel that says the clerk misspelled heidler, its an attempt to keep the truth hidden… why did the two brothers spell their last name different? who cares, its a very common practice in German last names so who really cares, Adolf Hitler son of Alois Hitler son of Johan Nepomuk Hüttler, the families today bear a very resemblance to Hitler even today in Austria around Graz and Dollersheim area… Werner Masser recorded all of this as well…

          • Dear Meister Strombach: No insult intended, but you are a most difficult man. I have been following your many responses with great interest, as I am spellbound by your level of intensity and accuracy of argument.

            I would agree that any insistence that Hitler was descended from a Rothschild bloodline is dubious at best, and only deflects interest from a more pertinent discussion.

            As in all conflicts, it is not the leaders of men that are dangerous, but the participants in such carnage who should be examined. After all is said and done, no leader acts alone, and no war is fought in isolation from mans proclivity toward slaughter.

            “American” historians seldom observe or comment that Sherman’s march to the sea included the criminal slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians, and instead make heroes of a war criminal and his mercenary minions.

            The usual carpetbaggers and bastards of finance followed the complete destruction of the Confederate South almost immediately. Who were these people, and who paid their transit? No history I’ve ever read ever makes any effort at these exposures of identity. It would seem the media focus on Lincoln’s demise was intended to obliterate the facts of Lincoln’s brutal presidency. Lincoln was a puppet and a fool. A martyr to his own self-deceptions.

            All this to say, reassembling history is a difficult enterprise at best (my compliments). Human histories are intentionally squired to justify mans persistence at war. The survivors of inhumanity are hardly heroes. They are simply more fodder for the church of finance and its lesser canons of law.

          • Paul thanks, its strobach by the way, Austrian, yes I am not important, I am not special or smarter than anybody, but I am fearless and dedicated to TRUTH in history, so many things are swept under the carpet and replaced with utter propaganda, as a grandson of people from oberSchlesien, or upper Silesia if you like? I can tell you that we are continuously lied about… but that’s irrelevant right now. What does matter is that people want to be deceived, how idiotic would one have to be to believe hitler was a rot schild when the debunked propaganda story started out that he was a frankenreither/frnakenberger/eyliyohn… that’s just ridiculous and disproven most emphatically…

            As far as your mention of Sherman, yes the man killed and destroyed most un repentantly, his march through Atlantic city was absolutely horrifying, the real issue with the civil war was that it was a war of economic control, the southerners had enough, just as my German ancestors did in 1939 and the rest is history from the vicotrs/liars point of view/gain…

            I have been wanting to write about a peculiar event that occurred during the civil war for some time which was a small incident of justice, Ill just leave it at that, Ill try and get it up soon, most people probably will never have heard of it but it happened

            Stay interested in historical accuracy! wahrheit macht frei! all you have to do is realize that its not about money as much as it is about the absolute destruction and vilification of potential resistors to the agenda, the complete destruction of a moral society of honor and absolute national cohesion in Germany was the main goal, not economic control or money, destroying a die hard group of men ready to fight to the death was what world war 2 was all about, even now, with gun confiscations and re education programs everything is geared for the destruction of national cohesion, that was the enemy of the jewish bankers in ww2 NATIONAL COHESION and it is their enemy today, look at what the Bolsheviks did in Russia, only complete control and destruction of resistors to the agenda seemed to stimulate them as it couldn’t have made much money to murder who knows? 40 million at least? same thing in ww2, 17 million germans dead? 1.5 million in the rheinwiesenlager of jew Eisenhower, 3.5 million who disappeared into the gulag with only 20,000 ever returning, how many millions diead in the expulsions and how many civilians were starved to death after 1945 as a deliberate policy of the AlLies? I think somewhere between 12 and 17 million dead Germans, however the message was so strong that even french men of the SS Charlemagne division wouldn’t surrender on the last night in Berlin and nearly all fought to the death, so it was with many non Germans fighting for the idea of a free and united confederation of pan Europa!

            this book is one of the best books I have ever read

            Hitler Democrat by Belgian Wallonie General Leon Degrelle


            I would suggest you read crimes against the Wehrmacht as well


            also, you might like to know exactly what Hitler and the Germans were desperately fighting to prevent from taking over Europe, if the Wehrmacht had failed this would have become the reality of al of Europe and every non German SS volunteer weather Spanish, French, Danish, Croatian, Latvian or Ukranian knew it, Hitler’s greatest lifetime achievement was that he saved Western Europa from cruel boshevik mass murder and that can never be deined!


            Volksgemeinshaft vor eigennutz!

          • Hello: My apologies for the misspelling of your proper name. My own name is a chosen name > It was my 42nd birth date present to myself. My ancestral history was lost at Ellis Island in 1894. My great grandfather and his brother were orphaned by war sometime in the 1850’s, and my grandfather was assigned the name “Smith” when he arrived in the US. The original name was something like “VarnHarniesch” which roughly translates to: Son of the harness maker, or maker of horse armor. Such are the forgotten ways of history…

            The reason I brought up the civilian butcher and war criminal; General Sherman, are the many political parallels between destroying private land ownership and sovereignty in the Southern Confederacy, and the manipulation of national boarders during 19th century Europe. It would seem national boarders have very little to do with ethnicity, spiritual belief, or any civilian factor. (I.E. the current situation in the Middle East) National boarders are always about geographic conveniences to military advancement, resource availability, and/or protective barriers such as mountains, rivers, marshlands, sea portage, etc.

            Thank you for your many contributions here and elsewhere. I seldom take sides in any historical discussion, as history is riddled (pardon the pun) with alienations of factual evidence, and the erection of intellectual barriers to collective wisdom… Best regards.

          • There is something that you and mike strobach don’t seem to understand. The confederate southern economy was based upon the labor of slaves on the plantation, and not upon the labor of free men in a free market place. This notion of sovereignty ownership you hold so dear applied, in addition to the property of the landed gentry, also to the ownership of human beings as slaves and even whites as indentured servants. Unless you want to say that the national socialists were racists and believed in slavery and indentured servitude, I suggest you stop making the comparisons. Many here in fact do believe that this ideology was put into practice during AH’s rule, regardless of the national socialist party platform.

            I won’t defend the gratuitous excesses of Sherman’s campaign but his campaign was necessary for the winning of the war and the preservation of the United States.

          • PM not only is your attack against the south – the confederacy based on propaganda but answer me this, isn’t modern America with all of its Chinese made slave labour products doing exactly the same thing you accuse the south of? I would like to direct you to some facts, most southerners were to poor to even own a slave. The entire slave trade was done by jewish merchants, according to jewish author Seymour b liebmann in the book NEW WORLD JEWRY every slave ship was owned by jewish merchants, the whole slave industry/trade in America was jewish and southern jews, 2% of the south’s population, accounted for more than 50% of slave ownership. There is a complete catalogue of the jewish owners of all the slave trading ships, why dont you do some actual research along with your endless EMOTIONAL APPEALS to sidetep the real issue… you are trying to draw attention away from the facts of the civil war, it had nothing to do with slavery, it happened because of the deliberate economic repression enforced on the south’s only economy – trade and cotton, not only did the north economicaly destroy the outh but they caused an immense loss of productivity to the southern cotton farmer through their control of the import/export. Its not about defending slavery, its about looking at the whole story, also Lincoln famously said ” I will win this war, I don’t care about slavery, Ill keep the institution of slavery in the south if it makes me win the war, all I care about is winning this war” Lincoln also suggested deporting all blacks to Africa because he didn’t want them in the north…

          • Who is really responsible for the economic poverty of the white southern farmer? It is none other than the white plantation owner. He owned all the choice arable land for the southern cash export crop, cotton. He could have hired poor white farmers to workers for a living wage but chooses instead to employ Africans as slave labor. How can poor white farmers compete with this? The northern industrialists just made things worse with their embargoes.

          • Paul, watch this video and tell me this wasn’t one of Europe.s greatest hours, the stopping of communism from overtaking western Europe


  41. dublinsmick this is your evidence, once again because hitler was a rot schild – bauer… yawn… umm ufo’s… ??? If I was anthony I would block you just for being an idiot!

    • I see nationalconscience is still goose stepping. Debates are hard on you are they not? I see you use the tried and true methods of simply childish name calling such as UFO and idiot. Is that in the manual they give you? You should throw in tinfoil hat once in awhile most 12 years do.

      Use should fall back on the use of “conspiracy” once in awhile. It is rather broad however and seems to mean any opinion not formed by the corporate media. You are not much of a hatchet man, you are way too easy. You have no facts and are apparently unable to process information.

      You have not mentioned any information provided or tried to rebute anything, nothing. Did you have too many flu shots?

      • You know they say the lower one is on the intellectual scale the more the world around him looks like a gigantic conspiracy.

        Here in the dark days of the Kali Yuga I have noticed the term conspiracy is almost standard fare. It doesn’t seem to matter which type social media you engage in at any particular time. Many times people will refer to something they are unfamiliar with as a conspiracy as a reaction to deflect from their own intellectual inertia. To be honest those who have formed their world with values found in high school text books and the electronic media will be found mostly unreachable. If they have not spent decades reading books that were not on the New York Time’s best seller list and gravitated from there to alternative media with the advent of the internet, I have found you will simply be wasting your time attempting any type meaningful discussion. At this point they are like a separate species. It is easier to categorize than explore, much easier to believe than to know.

        The times we are in remind me of Carlos Castaneda and the separate reality. To be frank our movers and shakers, the corporate web that buys our politicians do not want an informed electorate or citizenry. Semi illiterate masses that believe every foreign war is fought for freedom and the American way no matter who is attacked is much easier to govern. Unfortunately such a citizenry carries the seeds of it’s own destruction. We saw this in Germany but the spin in America varies somewhat as we believe in corporate fascism and a foreign controlled federal reserve as the be all and end all. It is democrat vs republican, conservative vs liberal 24/7 in a never ending ping pong match that goes nowhere while the country is continues to be looted.

        The Borderline idiot will always see the world as some sort of gigantic conspiracy. They say the dumber you are the more conspiratorial things may seem, so in many cases the participants may be asked to step outside their intellectual comfort zone.

        Generally speaking a conspiracy is a theory not substantiated by facts, not to be confused with a concept one disagrees with and worse yet one in which he is too unmotivated to explore for himself. Conspiracy unfortunately is an over used cliche many hide behind to mask their unfamiliarity with sometimes complex subjects or dodge a weighty issue they feel uncomfortable discussing. There are very few conspiracies, simply issues we may not yet be aware of.

        Some use it to mask their lack of intellectual resolve and some do so due to their personal involvement or own moral weakness as a result of not speaking out on certain issues which cause them pangs of guilt. A case in point might be one who has himself just finished an aspartame laced cola. It is better to call it a conspiracy than to admit such a chemical is indeed a low cost neurotoxin and used in many insect killers than to face the fact that the U.N. has called for a 90% reduction in the world population.

        Some however may be directly or indirectly involved in certain conspiracies and seek to stifle debate on such matters. This could range to everything from employees of cellphone companies, sugar substitutes, Monosodium glutamate, GMO modified foods, media enforcers, fluoride manufacturers, nuclear energy companies, politicians, vaccine makers etc.etc. All of these have the ability to cause you unmentionable suffering but may well seem like a conspiracy to the uninformed. For instance Bill Gates advocates a 90% reduction in the world population, he buys a major vaccine company. (Boom) This man has reservations in Norway’s doomsday seed vault. Now this is a red flag to those of us with finely tuned knowledge of socio-political situations. Unfortunately we cannot ask the masses to join us in this highly complex field of intellectual endeavor. It would take certain capabilities in logic 101 and other disciplines far beyond the scope of the every day social media.

        It could also apply to football conferences where some entities perceive a certain advantage by simply failing to note obvious interference by referees, preferring to label such thought as a conspiracy. The very thought that money can influence many to abandon their moral compass is unsettling to some.

        A conspiracy is not a complicated issue, simply two or more people joining together in an effort to bring about a desired result. The attempt consciously or unconsciously to avoid and repress intellectual debate on some topics is of and itself a conspiracy in which some are even un-knowlingly engaged in with others, leading to the dumbing down of the top of the mushroom pile. There will always be a certain percentage of the audience who leave the fray when the “conspiracy” canard is tossed out. Others will recognize it for what it is. It is a bit like football, you just have to start hitting somebody in the mouth.

        We have a moral duty not to allow the intellectually inferior to label everything a conspiracy. Civil discourse and the search for truth hang in the balance. Those who would deny you information already consider themselves your master. It is a question of intellectual harmonics.

        The old adage that truth is in the eye of the beholder comes to mind here. What seems apparent to one may seem complicated to another. Many times it is simply a case of what we might term intellectual harmonics. As we acquire knowledge and facts somethings appear as intrinsically needless to debate. For others further down the scale they seem perplexing and these intellects often insist upon a Fox News broadcast or link to justify their validity. Others who are forcefully confronted by facts they should have known lash out in in vindictive terms in a very unbecoming manner.

        In modern day terminology I think it compares with examples of the slow learner holding back the class. Imagine yourself trying to explain to say a spider monkey that two and two equals four. Most of us have already accepted this as reality, however the spider monkey if he could even fathom what you were saying would view this as some gigantic conspiracy being thrust upon him.

        I have heard many use the term well that is just your opinion, everybody has one. It is obvious that such a person has little or no exposure to Logic 101. It is really quite simple, some may hold the view that 1 plus 1 equals 5, some may feel that 2 plus 2 equals 5, etc etc. However one may feel that 2 plus 3 equals 5. In this particular instance it is not an opinion it is a fact. This is what we are looking for.

        If we look at for instance Buddhist doctrine, they feel that a particular entity or spirit may have many incarnations and thus may possess a large pool of gnostic knowledge at their disposal which emanates from a type of inner light of the spirit to keep things simple. On the other hand some may have been a bird in their last lifetime and mask their short comings by simply using the term wrong link dude or conspiracy. It is a doctrine worth looking into in my estimation.

        • Hello Dublinsmick, Anthony, and others.
          I’ve been following this page for a few days now, and am fascinated by the intensity of discussion. Tough crowd here… I consider myself a simple man – knowing my own ass is in collateralization to the NWO (or disorder) I don’t give a damn who lurks behind the curtain. It seems mankind loves Oz too much to quit funding the nightmare with blood and poison. The “powers that be” should never have seen the light of day. Oligarchy is oligarchy, and oligarchy is the perpetual butcher of humanity.
          It is obvious civilization prohibits the essential lesson of individual sovereignty and independent endeavor. All these thousands of years of trial, and we haven’t even learned how to feed one another. It is some cosmic level of sadness.
          All abstractions of finance and currency, only guarantee the garden remains barren.
          I have been impressed by your skills as a writer, and appreciate your depth of knowledge. My compliments to you, and to many others on this page.

          • “Hello Dublinsmick, Anthony, and others.
            I’ve been following this page for a few days now, and am fascinated by the intensity of discussion. Tough crowd here… I consider myself a simple man – knowing my own ass is in collateralization to the NWO (or disorder) I don’t give a damn who lurks behind the curtain. It seems mankind loves Oz too much to quit funding the nightmare with blood and poison. The “powers that be” should never have seen the light of day. Oligarchy is oligarchy, and oligarchy is the perpetual butcher of humanity.
            It is obvious civilization prohibits the essential lesson of individual sovereignty and independent endeavor. All these thousands of years of trial, and we haven’t even learned how to feed one another. It is some cosmic level of sadness.
            All abstractions of finance and currency, only guarantee the garden remains barren.
            I have been impressed by your skills as a writer, and appreciate your depth of knowledge. My compliments to you, and to many others on this page.”

            My compliments go to Migchels. He has correctly identified the root of these difficulties unlike the gold brokers at rockwell who insist that their method of money creation is right, fair and just. Truthfully now, money could indeed be created both to pay directly for the institutional expenditures required in creating it as well as all other government operations and to lend interest free to all, both businesses and individuals. Under such a system the future of planet earth could be bright. Otherwise, we shall continue down this path of military/industrial complex owned by banking family shell corporations with anonymous ownership.

            Daniel Krynicki

          • thanks Daniel!

          • Hello Anthony
            I tried to email you also and it came back, I don’t see an email for you here. I did notice your response at the truthseeker concerning J.B. Campbell. You know when people like Campbell and Kaminsky, although presenting valid arguments, resort to expressions like we have to get rid of the Jews, I can only surmise there is more there than meets the eye. It is against the law to to put open threats on the internet. Saying things like this seems to me a direct call for violence. If you and I did this I am pretty sure someone would be kicking in our door.

            I at one time found myself on John Kaminsky’s email list along with field marshall Carolyn Yeager, she is a bit like field marshall Strobacher, anyone who has serious doubts about our boy Adolph is an idiot. There is no debate with them, the narrative is set. I finally told Kaminski to take me off your list, you sound like you are urging people to drive their car through a bank window, I will watch the papers and see if you make the news.

            At any rate I see field marshall Strobach has called for deleting my responses in true (bring the jackboot) national socialist fashion. I recommend the reverse regarding his assertions. His own feverish distortions do more to discredit his disinformation than anyone here could ever accomplish. Once again however, cheers I have really enjoyed this post.

            The Mickster!

          • You can reach me at Dublinsmick!

            About your observation of them not getting arrested; absolutely. Very much on my mind also. Six year old children get suspended from school for a photograph with toyguns on facebook, but Campbell and others just call for murder?

            It just shows how comfortable these calls for ‘war’ against the Jews are for them. Campbell is not a problem for them. He’s either paid by them, or worse: an ignorant fool easily used.

          • Hello pipfiter2: You commented: “Truthfully now, money could indeed be created both to pay directly for the institutional expenditures required in creating it as well as all other government operations and to lend interest free to all, both businesses and individuals.”

            This is quite true. Setting aside any racial, ethnic, or propaganda driven agendas (ahem)
            State or Federal funding can and should be invented from the thin air of the infinities, and should be “Utilized” to create primary public infrastructures such as insuring water resources, adequate food production, and necessary forms of sanitation.
            I strongly disagree with any notion that secondary infrastructures such as industry should be publicly financed. Industry should be a privately held investment, and corporate structures strictly limited in scope by law. Rampant and uncontrolled corporate expansion is the bane of humanity, and lacking some such limit, social manipulations and distorted military objectives will soon be initiated for the usual reasons of enslavement.
            Early civilizations such as the Egyptian, Sumerian, and Grecian societies were able to provide an extremely high standard of living for their citizens, by simply getting the hell out of the way of human ambition. Money should be provided as a sort of social lubricant, assisting in some possibility of an interactive and creative activity…
            It is absurd and pathetic to ration money as a limited capitol resource, when mankind was born on a planet as resource rich as planet Earth. Instead, humanity has allowed itself to be socially pasteurized into slaves and worker drones for the criminal social elite. There are ample anthropological evidences that the city-states of Babylon and other early cultures were primarily communal and cooperative by nature. However, they were NOT communistic. The term “Communism” is a bastardization of the communal concept. Marx, Lenin, and other undesirables, certainly had to have recognized this definitive ploy…

          • I think that he merely is suggesting that the government could loan the private sector money/credit at zero interest. This in no way means government ownership, assuming of course there is no default.

          • Erm… At the risk of seeming nave, I would suggest that a “loan” is a term that requires eventual repayment of a “debt” or obligation. It matters not whether the loan is at zero interest or any other arbitrary level of redemption. Loans generally require collateralization, and therein is the proverbial rub. Seizure of life and/or property is the eventual outcome of default or lack of performance.
            The more creative financial tool would be a simple grant according to the proposed cost and manner of benefit. This sort of financial proposition requires that all parties remain truthful and in honor to the social enterprise. (I realize this is a strange concept for most postmodern thinkers) Currency is a device that should be made available for distributions within a collective body, and not a rite of passing for dubious personal effect. My position is that issuance of debt is nearly always coercive and ultimately deceitful.

            When capitol is granted into existence by a governing body at no cost, it would indicate a certain trust that these capitalizations will benefit the entire social endeavor. Any project monies spent will certainly be redistributed within the collective community, whether the specific intended enterprise is successful or not. Grants of social liquidity expand social endeavor, whilst “loans” are contractive and coercive.

            I know this simple proposition is anathema to the purveyors of loans, debts, and financial enslavement, yet I would submit that it could very well be a better tool than the continuing chaos and persistent warfare we have come to enjoy.

          • “Instead, humanity has allowed itself to be socially pasteurized into slaves and worker drones for the criminal social elite.”

            “I strongly disagree with any notion that secondary infrastructures such as industry should be publicly financed. Industry should be a privately held investment, and corporate structures strictly limited in scope by law. ”

            I agree that industry must remain private. But we must make distinctions between domestic and transnational corporations. At present, the symbiosis that exists between private international money creators and corporations exacerbates everything. Furthermore, the digging I have done shows that all of the privately owned defense industry stock is controlled by bankers through shell corporations that have anonymous ownership.

            With an institution established by and for the people, let’s call it a national credit division of Treasury, this symbiosis can be broken. The only way to end this is by prohibiting usury in moneylending. At the end of this transmission, we will look at why the process of money creation belongs to the people through their respective governments.

            I have no doubt you understand that money is something that is created. It is not a fungible thing as they teach in universities. Who gets to use it first and whether the first user gets to charge interest is at the heart of the matter. With bank credit, money is created upon signing of a loan contract. In the world of banks and corporations all kinds of commercial papers can bring new money into existence. The truth about this is thus: new money is created by private corporations called banks. At the same time, this process of private money creation affects the public weal in numerous ways. The bank charges interest that business must add into the price of whatever goods or services are for sale. With a credit division lending interest free to all, these interest charges will not exist and therefore will not show up in prices.

            1 Corinthians 5:6 – Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
            Galatians 5:9 – A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

            The second accomplishment of a national credit division is that corporations will not need to hoard earnings for lean times.

            An entire world of possibilities opens up with a national credit authority. But this will entail ending bank credit entirely, which I am in favor of. Your commentary indicates you are not. In a previous email I wrote: this world is headed for an apocalypse the direct cause of which is the love of money.

            With all these obvious things gone awry in the world of money, we should consider just whose assets actually create a money supply. Papers are drawn up and signed in any loan contract. As a result, new money enters the currency stream that banks keep records on. Upon repayment of the loan, the principle of the loan vanishes. But the banks keep all the interest payments. In the specific example of a simple mortgage with compound interest over 30 years of payments, the amount paid back to the bank can exceed multiple times what the initial principal amount was, depending on the interest rate agreed to and term of the loan. So the bank is a bookkeeper of sorts as the principle party just doing some accounting because it was the assets borrowed for and used as collateral that actually created the money. So the money came into existence based on the assets of the borrowers, not anything the bank had in its possession. Any banker worth his salt will tell you this plainly if he is truthful. So why can’t the people institute a government agency that creates the needed money supply so that business transactions can move without any impediments?

            Here in the US, we already have such a government in operation. But because of usury and the money creators’ control of the money supply from over there on Wall Street and the square mile in London it has been bought and paid for by the highest bidders. The beltway lot are a bunch of traitors who have sold their birthright for money.

            “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

          • Hello pipefighter2: Please be aware that I fully agree with much of what you have stated here. My sense is that a National Federal “bank” or institution should be at liberty to grant or gift currency into circulation toward specific public goals, then monitor or guide those contractual enterprises toward completion of the intended task.
            “Loans” whether private or public, rather indicate or dictate repayment of a debt, whereas grants or gifts of trust assume that repayment is made through completion or performance of the contractual project. This scheme would of course wrest control away from international or foreign interests, as domestic granted currency would be intended for sovereign or domestic use, rather than have these currencies butchered by international trade agreements and theft.

            You asked: “So why can’t the people institute a government agency that creates the needed money supply so that business transactions can move without any impediments?”

            Erm… Good question. The (former) United States needs a major divorce from international banking, and needs to develop it’s own value system and currency. We have been continuously accosted by trade agreements that amount to blackmail and theft of our sovereignty and civil freedoms. Time to put some serious brakes on this bus, or just drive the damn thing off the road.

            A good place to start would be the expelling of the United Nations from our sovereign territory. The incarceration of all members of the Federal Reserve until further notice. The impeachment of our illegal and treasonous war criminal president. The dismantling of corporate manipulations and controls over domestic commerce. And the elimination of all current trade agreements and military entanglements with NATO “allies”.

            The United States has allowed itself to become little more than an overblown and arrogant banana republic. We have degenerated into a third world class medical and social system. We are now the laughing stock of all nations, and are rightfully hated by nearly every non-Israeli citizen in the Middle East.

          • I would be honored to sit down with you and hash over your ideas. But know this: the banks and corporations have legions of sophist lawyers who are capable at misdirecting the weak minded away from the only means by which we could end their hegemony. As I said, only an institution commissioned to represent the people as the only money creators and that is also required to lend to all interest free could cause the bankers’ hegemony to evanesce. I have little hope for this to happen. Only an extraterrestrial intervention could make this happen.

          • This is true if you expect you bankster owned politicians in Washington to solve this problem for you .

            If you start small and on a local level, city and state, you can start charters for your own public bank that can issue debt free money/credit and insulate you community from the plundering of the FED.

            It’s already been done in north Dakota with the bank of north Dakota since 1913 Recently San fransisco started up their own public municipal bank.

          • Yes. I am totally in agreement with independent statehood and the reestablishment of state charters and existing state Constitutions. Federal interferences into local authority are only an extension of UN agenda 21 goals. The World Bank and IMF has been bidding for complete financial dominance and seizure of private lands for over 50 years. Our current “president” is little more than a sock puppet and a treasonous bastard. Our Congress and Senate are no longer responsive to any citizen priorities, and they also should be tried for treason and hung out to dry.
            It was not long ago that rumblings of state secession were heard in the AlterNet media, yet these very serious discussions were completely squashed by all major (corporate owned) media. Investigative journalism is dead in the water, and it would seem independent discussion is prohibited by such illegal devices as the P.A.T.R.I.O.T “Act”.
            Unfortunately, North Dakota has acquired it’s independent financial position by decimating it’s own environment with fracking and mineral exploitation. The price for this will be paid by future generations born into birth deformities. The eventual spread of hazardous pollution and environmental collapse will soon migrate into adjacent states. In my opinion, it is time for the human specie to recognize the error of holding the planet as collateral to our economic stupidity.
            The only way out of the intellectual hamster cage we’ve allowed ourselves, is to throw a bloody revolution and bid for a Confederacy of independent states. That is exactly why the Obamination the media calls “our president”, keeps running false flag experiments such as the Aurora Colorado shooting, the Sandy hoax shooting, the Boston Marathon (FBI instigated) “bombings”, the recent naval yard fiasco, etc.
            The second amendment will soon be less than meaningless, and NATO troops are panting at the ready. We certainly have allowed a fine mess to develop, as we stumble toward total financial collapse of our currency and mass starvation. All nicely detailed in the Agenda 21 documents of many years ago.

          • Mr. Vonharnish,

            A post you made a couple of days ago shows me you could not possibly be reasonable enough to sit down and hammer out a solution that be a benefit to all. So I must retract my statement of being honored to have a discussion with you about such a solution.

            The United States Constitution is one of the finest crafted documents in all of human history. It is the culmination of about a millennium of thinking on oppression and liberty. The Unanimous Declaration of 1776 is a document that cannot be separated from the Constitution. Its contents consist primarily of a long list of abuses and usurpations perpetrated against the people by an oppressive government. If politicians are guilty of doing this today it is because the highest bidders have them in their back pockets. The reason for this travesty is in the founders’ failure to recognize that usury banking would ultimately lead us headlong back into the same quagmire.

            In Article 1, Section 8, Line 5 we find that Congress is the only lawful body that is allowed to create our money. (Look up coin as a verb. It is a synonym for create.) Since a law was passed and signed in 1913, this power has now been usurped by the privately owned banking cartels. So instead of creating it themselves, Congress now uses the other Constitutional authority it has to borrow money. Consequently, any new money that enters the currency stream is the result of the debt instrument. Take this power away from privately owned banks, (to create our money), create our money supply with public emissions from the body authorized to do so in the Constitution, and the oligarchy’s power will eventually dissipate.

            Your second mistake is thinking so little of our Constitution. The Tenth Amendment in no way gives a right to the several states to open a public bank and create each’s own sovereign currency. That power rests in the United States Congress alone. It specifically states this in the line item mentioned above. [“1: The Congress shall have Power 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin,] It is a specifically enumerated power of Congress. Consequently, the Tenth Amendment doesn’t apply here at all. And well it should be their power. “To Coin” also means to create. It is patently obvious that the founders meant this because they were indeed printing paper money and emitting it into the currency stream both as loans and as money to pay for government expenditures. If they were creating their own currency during this period of American history, why was it necessary to lend at interest to the general population?

            Franklin’s faux pas was in his belief that a moderate interest rate for the use of money lent that is created out of nothing is good. The colonies emitted ‘Bills of Credit’ for over one hundred years prior to the American Revolution. They were also emitted during the years of Continental Congress and even with the First Bank of the United States under the Constitution. This actually was
            paper currency. Most of the ‘Bills’ were emitted as loans to the general public at interest. A part of these ‘Bills’ at various times were paid directly into circulation for expenditures of government without paying interest to anyone. This history is detailed in the first 57 pages of Financial History of the United States by Davis Rich Dewey, Fifth Edition 1915. The book sits on a shelf at a U of M library. It was optically scanned by Google and is availble free as a Google Books download in PDF. A 15 MB web download is easily accomplished on any home PC or Mac. Just go to Google Books and download it free.

            The cloud of vagueness that surrounds the Constitution lies in the fact that it also authorizes the governent to borrow money. Back then, gold brokers were also authorized to print paper money certificates and inject them into the currency stream. This method of money creation by private gold broker banks operated until 1933 in the US. A lovely lady from Northwestern University wrote a book called Money Creators in 1935. She also details much of this history. Her name was Gertrude Coogan. This book may no longer be available free on line. Email me for the PDF.

            So the founders of America gave us a mixed bag, mostly good and some bad. The bad of course is usury banking through which the international bankers have gained ownership and control of everything. The good, though, is a necessary part of civilization without which the world devolves into anarchy, and the language of which was arrived at only after a millenium of oppression. Would you have us throw out all the good also? The oligarchy you seek to suppress by using measures that will only lead us into another sanguinary conflict have complete control of the corporate world through ownership, world politics and consequently the automated and mechanized militaries. The prognosis of following your advice is quite bleak.

            So why not just aim your energy at the fountain that has enabled them. Imagine a pricing system that does not include interest in retail values? The interest reaper parasites might then need to look for work at the national credit office.


          • Yes, I like the discussion too Paul, it’s taught me a lot! I’m glad it’s working for you, thanks for sharing!

      • what triangle sign are you referring to and direct me to evidence – EVIDENCE that Hitler used whatever idiotic sign you are referring to, making a completely un supported statement of pathetic desperation is not evidence, are you on an adult level here or what? Angela Kassner isn’t even German, she is Polish, that’s well known by Germans.. Dublinmick – you pretend to know all of these things about Germany but yet ou really don’t even know what the 2 main proncoples of national socialism are? you don’t even have to read german to find this, yet, you have never taken the time to read 2 senrences in English that say what the 2 principles are. So why should anybody listen to you? People like you should not be given a chance to speak publicly on any forum when you have no interest in ACCURACY you think you can just make things up, where is your lunacy corroborated by accepted historical investigation? NOWHERE you just use terms like goose stepping and continuously repeat unproven claims…

      • Chris Spivey is linked to the UK Column, who are paid shills for the ((( Tribe ))) here in the United Kingdom.

  42. Dublinsmick that is the very point here, you have provided no evidence while I have provided the universally accepted evidence, accepted by academics worldwide and never refuted by jewish scholars (from where you must get your info?) it is only ignored by the jewish scholars, never disdussed or refuted. There is an avalanche of evidence that proves you wrong, the german historian werner masser in the book Hitler legend myth and reality, who was by no means pro nationalist did the simple research and refuted every point you have unsuccessfully tried to make, so once again, what evidence do you have?

    read my article on communism, it will give you and idea of how to write intelligently and HOW TO USE SOURCES… I cant explain this to you in any smaller or 1st grade reading level words

  43. dublinsmick I forgot the link… read and learn how to master intelligence and sources

    Now, dublinsmick claims that if you touch your hands together making a diamond shape wih your fingers, he doesn’t know the difference between diamonds and triangles as is quite clear from his ridiculous link to a photo of hitler… no evidence, just a photo… anyway, by his logic, if you touch your fungers together while talking, therefore, you are a rot schild… so that makes every person on the planet a rot schild…. excellent logic dublinmick… seriously? that’s you objective historical investigation into truth?

  44. Anthony, dublinsmick is making you loom like the biggest pureveyor of propaganda, I would at least admonish him to try and appear to be half intelligent and not look so pathetically stupid with his endless non isues and NO SOURCES – I am not a national socialist, there are no longer ANY national socialists, I have no allegiance to anyone, I do not support anyone – other than people doing objective historical research and providing true accounts into our past – like wayne – justice4germans, this guy has dedicated an extreme amount of time into uncovering original sources and making them widey available, like werner masser and others dedicated to truth, like Paul Rassinier who himself was a camp inmate, seriously man, don’t let your article degenerate into a total piece of in accurate garbage, make people provide evidence for their claims, especially when those claims have no bearing on the topic, basically, because you can not prove ione way or the other that Germany stopped usury, you are just going t endlessly repeat that he was a rot schild? when that has been utterly disproven by serious researchers like werner masser? Do you read in French? I can provide you with endless sources in French on this very subject, I think I did that on the original article… this is just getting silly and pathetic

  45. Anthony Sutton a propagandist for jewish finance?

    The Funding for the Revolution

    Lev Bronstein aka Leon Trotsky set sail from New York in 1917 with 350 New York jews and around 20 million from jew Jacob Schiff and other New York jewish bankers, communism was actually sent from the US to Russia, thanks to jewish control of our politicians, especially Woodrow Wilson who was under the direct influence of Louis Brandeis and Bernard Baruch, both jews.

    The jewish Communal Register of New York City of 1917-1918, edited and published by the jewish community, profiles Jacob Schiff, who at that time was one of the wealthiest men in the world as head of the huge banking house of Kuhn, Loeb & Company. In the article it states how the firm of Kuhn, Loeb & Company “floated the large Japanese War Loans of 1904-1905, thus making possible the Japanese victory over Russia.” It also goes on to say:
    “Mr. Schiff has always used his wealth and his influence in the best interests of his people. He financed the enemies of autocratic Russia and used his financial influence to keep Russia away from the money market of the United States.”
    (jewish Communal Register of New York City. (1918). p.1018-1019)

    Jacob Schiff actually gave somewhere between $17 million and $24 million to finance the judeo communist revolutionaries in Russia, a sum that would be the equivalent of many hundreds of millions of dollars by today’s dollar value. Rabbi Marvin S. Andelman, in his book To Eliminate the Opiate, cites two sources documenting Schiff’s financial support of the Communist revolution and ultimate repayment by them:
    “Jacob Schiff is credited with giving twenty million dollars to the bolshevik revolution. A year after his death the bolshevik’s deposited over six hundred million rubles to Schiff’s banking firm Kuhn & Loeb.”

    (New York Journal American (1949). February 3.)
    (Andelman, M.S. (1974). To Eliminate the Opiate.)

    In short: Sutton, in his book Wall Street And the Bolshevik Revolution, only focuses on all the non-jewish financiers who were financing the sides of the Bolshevik Revolution. He focuses on J.P. Morgan and his middlemen such as William Boyce Thompson. He avoids the word jew like a plague. J. P. Morgan by the way was crypto jew but Sutton apparently didn’t know that.

    Sutton only manages to find some bankers who gave minor amounts of money to bolsheviks. And many of those bankers gave money to both sides. Sutton completely avoids the major financiers like Jacob Schiff.

    In his appendix he presents himself as trying to refute the “jewish conspiracy theory of the bolshevik revolution”, which he does not manage to do at all. He argues like this: “Well not ALL jews were involved, and if some were, it doesnt make it a jewish conspiracy”. He makes these kind of arguments without even addressing them thoroughly.

    Sutton claims that the majority of the bolshevik leadership was not jewish, without showing how the U.S. intelligence agency reports that stated it was jewish, were wrong. Sutton does not even cite the report where the American intelligence agent said that “of the 384 comissars, 300 were jews”. If Sutton wishes to show that the majority of the leadership was not jewish then he has to show of what ethnicity, religion and race those 300 then were (and Sutton also has to cite sources to back up his claims). Sutton also has to address Robert Wilton’s and Victor Marsden’s research, and prove it wrong showing with his own detailed research that they really were not jews. Sutton also would have to prove (with evidence) encyclopaedia judaica’s article about Bolshevik Revolution wrong.


    Winston Churchill’s statement that jews had a “very great role” in the bolshevik Revolution is supported only by distorted evidence. The list of jews involved in the Bolshevik Revolution must be weighed against lists of non-Jews involved in the revolution. When this scientific procedure is adopted, the proportion of foreign jewish bolsheviks involved falls to less than twenty percent of the total number of revolutionaries — and these jews were mostly deported, murdered, or sent to Siberia in the following years.

    This scientific procedure was adopted from the beginning in 1918 by Robert Wilton and others, which showed that about 80% or even 90% of the Bolshevik leadership was jewish!

    In addition Sutton claims that:


    The evidence provided in this book suggests that the New York bankers who were also jewish had relatively minor roles in supporting the bolsheviks, while the New York bankers who were also Gentiles (Morgan crypto jew, Rockefeller, Thompson) had major roles.

    Evidence in Sutton’s book only deals with the non-jews, leaving out the jewish financiers. So of course if you leave out the major jewish financiers from your book, then of course the evidence in your book only proves that non-jews were the major financiers. In his Appendix II he tries minimize Schiff’s role and suggesting that “Schiff did not give that much money, and no evidence for it”. What he does not tell you is that it was an admitted fact in New York Journal American that Schiff gave about 20 million dollars for the revolution, his grandson admitted this! Sutton somehow “FORGETS” to mention this. The documentary Money Masters also cited this fact. Of course Money Masters also forgot to mention that Schiff, just like the majority of the other Money changers and bankers, were indeed jewish.

    Sutton’s book only proves that non-jewish financiers gave few millions to both sides, while the evidence presented here, by me, proves that a Jewish Jacob Schiff alone gave about ten times more money!

    • >>>>>> Anthony Sutton a propagandist for jewish finance ?
      no, he is a trojan infiltrator, apprenticing to achieve the financial succes of his charlatan mentors B.S., E.B., Makow

      And now, some real history, it was the German High Command that financed the bolshevik revolution:–
      ” The Germans supplied finance on a large scale to the Bolsheviks. The key evidence is two telegrams in September and December, 1917, in which the German Secretary of State informed the Kaiser that his department had supplied the Bolsheviks with “a steady flow of funds” and that the party could not have attained “the scale or influence which it has today without our continual support.” This is supported by an analysis, dated February 4, 1918, among the German documents of Foreign Office expenditure overseas for propaganda and special purposes. This gives an allocation to Russia of 40,580,997 marks, of which by January 31, 1918, a sum of 26,566,122 marks had been spent. From other documents, indicating expenditure after the Bolshevik seizure of power, it is clear that 11,500,000 marks were spent before November.”

      Not only that, but was in Berlin, during that train ride, that Lenin received the idea of Lenin-ism:—

      • You smear attempts against Sutton are truly pathetic. He suffered severe career ending setbacks as a result of his research and could never get any of his books published by establishment dealers. If he was in it for the money and prestige he would have written the crap that they put out at the Hoover Institute where he had been employed.

        • PM that’s a great emotional appeal but the FACT remains that Anthony Sutton conveniently forgot to mention that one jew Jacob Schiff alone gave 20 million dollars to the bolshevik cause via Lev Bronstein aka Leon Trotsky, that one jew, Schiff, gave more than 10 times the money than every named person in Sutton’s work combined!

          • Yes, but the great and novel success of his work lies in his demonstration that the banks, wallstreet and western technology and intellectual capital was responsible for the rise and steady growth of communism up to this very day. I consider you discovery an confirmation of his work, not a criticism or contradiction.

          • P M that statement makes no sense? you are saying because Sutton lies to protect jews that makes him a good propagandist? how is that?

          • I don’t claim that he lies about anything. How is he protecting the banks, wallstreet, seditious government officials, and traitorous industry/scientists by what he wrote? He has done the contrary by exposing them.

            You claim he lies, because you are an incorrigible monomaniac, that can see only jews.

        • unlike Sutton (who seems to have been on a mission to white-wash the british empire) and everyone else, Michael Pearson was afraid to go near primary sources and documents……

          —the record is a cruel thing, it can ruin the best day dreams

    • Pardon the intended pun, but you have hit the mark very well in your above comments…

  46. The fact of the matter is that dublinsmick is un intelligent he doesn’t even realize that the propaganda story of hitler’s supposed Jewishness NEVER ONCE SAID he was a rot schild, it said that he was a frankenreither, a frankenberger or the grandson of Abraham eyliyohn, never a rotschild, the supposed interview with Patrick Hitler claiming that Hitler was jewish never occurred, I challenge all of you to produce it. We know Abraham eyliyohn was 5 years old when Alois was born but yet he is supposed to be his father? yeah right…

    On october 14th, 1933 the british daily mirror, owned by jewish press magnate lord beaverbrook, published the photograph of a jewish tombstone of one abraham eyliyohn, a bucharest jew whom the mirror claimed to be hitlers grandfather. This claim received wide acceptance throughout the english speaking world and had to wait for historian werner maser to expose it as an absurdity. Eyliyohn’s birth certificate preceded by five years the birth certificate of hitlers father alois! So are we to believe that a 5 year old fathered a child? I think not!

    Is this evidence? Is this accepted?

    Then a “confession” was wrenched from the tortured nuremburg prisoner hans frank that a jew had made hitlers grandmother pregnant. An american officer by the name of sixtus o’connor was the recipient of this amazing confession, which named the jew in question as a certain frankeireither from graz in austria. This assertion was supposedly corroborated by an article written by some distant relative of hitler’s (Patrick) and published in the august 5, 1939 edition of paris soir. Again werner maser pointed out that neither the name frankeireither nor the name frankenberger, as it had also been quoted, appeared in any records of graz. Furthermore, not a single jew had lived in graz from the time of the fifteenth century until ten years after the death of hitlers grandmother. When maser then checked the paris soir article, he was surprised to find that the name frankeireither or frankenberger was never even mentioned. Thus another piece of nuremburg “evidence” was based on torture and fabrication.

    According to original documents reproduced in Werner Masser’s Hitler legend myth and reality Adolf Hitler was the son of Alois hitler the son of Johan Nepomuk Hüttler, not his brother Johan Georg Heidler, anyone who actually speaks german knows that the transliteration of Hüttler to Hitler makes absolute sense, this was not an accident as portrayed on the jewish owned history or hitler channel that says the clerk misspelled heidler, its an attempt to keep the truth hidden… why did the two brothers spell their last name different? who cares, its a very common practice in German last names so who really cares, Adolf Hitler son of Alois Hitler son of Johan Nepomuk Hüttler, the families today bear a very resemblance to Hitler even today in Austria around Graz and Dollersheim area… Werner Masser recorded all of this as well…

  47. Dubinsmick, how do you explain Nial ferguson’s book the Rothschildes (rot schild – bauer) Its a matter of historical fact that Hitler drove the rot schilds from Europe, confiscated all of their property and imprisoned those he caught from France to Austria? How do you explain the historical record? It’s a testament to the magnanimous ideology of nationalsozialismus that none of the interned or imprisoned people were ever mistreated or executed, that is confirmed by non german SS men like the Frenchmen of the SS Charlemagne who believed in the Great Pan European Crusade against judeo bolshewismus, how do you explain these Frenchmen fighting to the death on the last night and any survivors remaining loyal to nationalsocialismus FOR EVER? Lets here your rebuttal of these unpleasant FACTS

    • Dublinmickey that’s just retarded, I mean it isn’t accepted by any serious historian, again Werner Masser, an actual professor/historian has disproven this SOUCELESS claim in – Hitler legend myth and reality, you have any kind of accepted source for this? and what is the reason you are so interested in spreading false information that isn’t accepted by any historian? Emotional appeals is all you have, those of us interested in FACTS do not jump on the anti nationalist band wagon over simple emotional appeals to ridiculous unverified claims…

  48. I’m more than curious to hear the revisionists response to the fact that one of AH’s most passionate admirers is “Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the “Torah sage” of the extremist Israeli political party Shas…”

    • That’s ridiculous, what bearing does this unverifiable “claim” have on the issue? None, its a pathetic emotional appeal based on something irrelevant…

  49. Name 789 your claim of bankrupt Germany giving even 40 marks much less 40 million marks to Lenin is preposterous and has not only been debunked by several people including Heinz Weichardt in UNDER 2 FLAGS, but even Anthony Sutton makes no such claim so where do you figure that this is documented anywhere? You speak of an analysis done by the German Foreign office? Where is it? nobody has seen it and if it existed it would be in old german fraktur as that was the script of the day, so where is it? Your EMOTIONAL APPEAL to unverifiable claims is ridiculous, Lenin came up with “Leninism” because of Germany? Yeah right, too bad he traveled through hungary from Vienna, not Germany… Ill have to dig up some original sources for that but this what I have read regarding Lenins train ride… This is just another unverifiable emotional appeal to anti Nationalism… feel free to post an actual source… Its a well known fact the ideology you call “Leninism” was very popular amongst Bernard Baruch, Louis Brandeis, Samual Untermeyer, Jacob Schiff, Felix Frankfurter, Max Warburg, Leon Trotsky and the 300 + jewish Bolsheviks from Manhattan’s lower East Side that were sent to St Petersburg with 20 million dollars from jewish Jacob Schiff alone… plus money from other jews like Max Warburg. This is corroborated by Schiiff’s grandson as well as several other accepted sources, ORIGINAL SOURCES you have NONE…Even Newspapers of the day printed much publicity on the Carnegie Hall Socialists of New York throughout 1916 and 1917… can you actually provide an original reputable source for anything you are claiming? Absolutely not, Ill find them for you but all you are doing is ignoring all common sense and making emotional appeals to verified wartime propaganda stories

  50. Anthony, neither I nor JB Campbell is calling for the murder of anyone, demanding that the rule of law prevail over corrupt government is a legitimate cause. Demanding the enforcement of laws and punishment of treason by the prescribed punishment is all he is saying. Calling the guy an agent because he believes in the rule of law is ridiculous,

    The theory that total submission to tyrants makes you legitimate and following the rule of law makes you an agent is preposterous! How will we ever get anywhere calling eachother agents?

    Im not trying to say people should follow the example this great man/patriot JB Campbell, I merely wanted to draw attention to his article – behind the holocaust what was hitler’s unforgivable sin – the holocaust myth protects corrupt jewish banking practices and forever associates the idea of debt free currency with mass murder as a propaganda attempt to silence any kind of justice economicaly speaking

    Nothing he says is illegal in America, the fact he has not been arrested is because its legal and many people say what he says, the enforcement of the proper punishment for acts of treason like gun confiscation etc… and or allegiance to a foreign power like jewish finance is treason. You are confused about his real message, which isn’t harming anyone but returning to the rule of law and proper punishment of traitors, he really is just an honest American and should not be called an agent by people (not you) who advocate submission to tyrants

    • Meister Strobach: Your comment regarding treason and gun ownership is interesting. Gun ownership and proper defensive training in Switzerland is mandatory. Result: Near zero social unrest. Proclaimed and sustained neutrality in terms of international politics. A wealthy and industrious populace. These are just a few of the benefits enjoyed by the Swiss populace over these many centuries.
      Contrast this positive result with the incredible mayhem and destruction enjoyed by the rest of the world. No one seems to question or examine the wealth and successes of Switzerland, and my belief is that we should. Perhaps that would be a more constructive process than engaging in political hyperbole, and the endless crippled intellectual process of analyzing failed policies. After all, there is a wealth of failed policies to examine, and many centuries of discussion have only yielded a result of more failed policies. It is horribly sad.
      Even a brief examination of Anthony’s pages here leads one down endless rabbit holes of failed logic. International trade and banking has become a fitful shell game in a toxic circus, whilst Switzerland laughs all the way to it’s own independent and sovereign banks…

      • >>>>Switzerland
        here, here….
        And no one wants to talk about what form of limited government and democracy exists in Switzerland;
        just as no one wants to mention the racial component of Switzerland…..

        • Heh! It would perhaps be instructive for any remaining sovereign governments (I think there might be two or three remaining) to study the Swiss political/economic formula closely… It sure works well for the Swiss! Too bad every other political system in the world is so pre-occupied (pun intended) that they can barely come up for air…

  51. Whew! What a battle! It seems like, after reading all the comments, one has just witnessed the greatest football game ever played. Both “sides” giving it everything they had-thank you for the passionate efforts. My guess is everyone is exhausted. I wonder if it would benefit all concerned, perhaps the human race, if all participants in this intense debate summarized their view of the most important lessons to be learned from World War II and the subsequent years until today, and offer any wisdom for humanity going forward.
    Thank you all again for a tremendously interesting discussion.

  52. Anthony it can’t get much plainer than this. National Socialists receive another devastating blow.

    The on 29 July 1911 in Jena (Germany) born Nazi, Prince of Orange Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld ended his doctoral in 1935 and started working for a German chemical company (I.G. Farben-industry AG German Industry and the Holocaust), that made the Holland-route to the U.S. with the services of the de Hollandsche Koopmansbank in Amsterdam (HKB

    Say isn’t Bush’s daughter named Jena?

    The consequence of this is that the masonic Grand Lodge of Belgium was founded a year after the Benelux treaty (1959), supposedly because of the good relations with the Jews of Antwerp, England (Rothschild) and America (Rockefeller) from which Hitler was financed through Netherlands including the Bush family and their financiers (video). This lodge is separately established in Belgium in 1959 to support the Nazi fascist World Order continued from the territory of the Netherlands, expanded to the Benelux, Europe, America and then the rest of the world with a fascist agenda and genocide consequences. The Second World War never ended and continued stealth through the Dutch territory and the Bilderberg Conferences (video). A Nazi Trojan Horse from within Europe onto the rest of the world.

    The 30,000 Dutch soldiers could not ensure that New Guinea and the smaller islands of Bali / Bangka and Billiton in Indonesia remained intact for the Netherlands, they had to withdraw from New Guinea whereby the Joint Mining Company Billiton acted in liquidation with all its consequences. In 1962, the last Dutch troops had left Indonesia, with the result a Dutch Pesticide Law that was declared in that same year (1962).
    Where no account should be taken of:
    – The adverse effects of these pesticides during the use phase and the disposal phase;
    – And where not active chemicals, being unknown other very toxic, toxic, corrosive or harmful substance (s) need not be mentioned on the label:
    ) with as successive presidents, his daughter Queen Beatrix and present the Belgian socialist Étienne Davignon (Vice Chairman Eu-committee 1977-81) who was after “Robert Rothschild” Cabinet Secretary of Paul-Henri Spaak. Also from 1954 to 1956 Spaak and Rothschild worked together with Jean-Charles Snoy et d’Oppuers to the Treaty of Rome for the final signing of the treaty in 1957. Spaak said, I think we have restored the Roman Empire without a single shot was fired.

    • dumblinmick You know what else is gunny, you claim Prince Bernhard was a nai right? I the memoirs of Otto Skorzeny – for Germany – he recounts the search for Prince Bernhard who never was a Nazi, never was remotely inviolved with the Nazis, never wore a german uniform and he fled to Britain for the entires war, he was wanted for arrest by the German Authorities and its well documented, yet in your propaganda video that has been endlessly debunked it says Bernhad was a Nazi, which he never was, it says he wore a Nazi uniform working at a pesticide manufacturers called IG Farben, which isn’t true either! that’s just pathetic!

      I am not a national socialist and there is no such thing as a national socialist anymore, doesn’t exist… so you can stop with your dramatic emotional appeals that you se quite frequently in place of sources and evidence… oh yeah, 2 girls were named jenna and you know what year a free mason lodge was funded, wow I should give up, you got me now!

  53. Dumblinsmick SUPPOSEDLY is your key word here because it never happened, your whole THEORY rests on Fritz Thiesen – I paid Hitler, you tried using this story before and I already thoroughly debunked it. Fritz Thiesen publicly declared that he had nothing to do with the writing of the false propaganda book I PAID HITLER and this was accepted by the allied control council… What evidence do you have for this wild unproven claim? that 2 people were both named jena is the only SOURCED piece of info you posted, where are the sources???

    “……..No Warburgs. No Rothschilds. No Rockefellers. While the Rockefellers indirectly came into Hitler’s financial sphere by way of Standard Oil technical investments and the Warburgs via I. G. Farben and J. H. Stein later on, neither gave Hitler any financial support before 1933. And neither directly supported or paid Hitler at any point in time. The Sidney Warburg story is pure fabrication. Fritz Thyssen and some of Hugenberg’s heavy industrial connections, not James Warburg, gave Hitler substantial monetary gifts in 1929 (at least RM 1,250,000) and Deterding and several German coal companies took care of Hitler in the early 1930s. While Hitler spent a vast amount on campaigning, he was by no means rolling in untraceable money. All of his funding was carefully accounted for and most of it came from VB advertising; party dues, insurance, and speaking fees; Gregor Strasser’s left-wing faction, which received RM 10,000 per month in 1931; the good will of VB publisher Adolf Müller; and the financial frugality of party treasurer Franz Schwarz, whose meticulous party financial records were destroyed. The Americans interrogated him so brutally that he died in 1946 in British captivity. His records denoting even Hitler’s anonymous donors never turned up anywhere. The Pools suspect that the American occupiers destroyed them.

    By 1929, Hitler had the backing of Fritz Thyssen, heir to the vast steel holdings of his father, August Thyssen. In 1926 the father died and Fritz became chairman of the board of United Steel Works, the largest steel trust in Germany. Thyssen gave more money to Hitler than any other individual. He hated communism with a passion, perhaps because during the abortive German communist revolution of 1918 both he and his father were arrested by a communist revolutionary group and very nearly executed by firing squad. They were freed four days later when even these communist zealots could find no credible charges under which to execute them.
    Despite his popularity among the German rank and file, Hitler knew he needed support from Germany’s establishment. To this end he cultivated his few industrial supporters carefully in the hope that he might make a breakthrough. In 1929, Emil Kirdorf summoned Hitler for reassurance that Hitler’s Brown Shirts would leave Germany’s industries alone. Hitler replied that he needed only three things to fully enforce his authority on the party: « I want a little time, a lot of money, and the ban against my political activities in Prussia lifted. »
    « And what if I give you all of these? » Kirdorf asked.
    « You and the other industrialists could dictate the party line insofar as it affected you and the properties you own. » As James and Suzanne Pool point out, « From that day forth Hitler basically lived up to this agreement.
    As for Goebbels’s remark on 17 January 1932 that the finances of the party “suddenly improved,” this was not exactly true. The truth is that the party’s credit line suddenly improved, and this was thanks to the maneuverings of Franz von Papen and Baron Kurt von Schröder with his syndicate of investors, including a number of prominent heavy industrialists, the Hamburg-America Steamship Line, the Stein Bank of Cologne, Commerz und Privat Bank, the Gelsenkirchen Mine Company, Deutsche Bank, Reichskredit-Gesellschaft Bank, Allianz Insurance, members of the potash industry, the Brabag Coal Company, Deutsches Erdöl, and a number of other brown-coal industrialists. While Hitler tolerated fifth-column banks like M. M. Warburg and the Temple Bank (a special account created for the Temple Society by the Reichsbank to fund Ha’avara emigration), he eventually restricted and regulated their business opportunities and forced them to assist with financing Jewish emigration. Hitler’s goal was to increasingly inhibit and thereby financially squeeze the foreign banks until they were unable to exist any longer and had to relocate outside Germany—the same policy he employed to encourage Jewish emigration and business closures. One such example was the Germanization (i.e. German takeover) of two Jewish ironworks plants in the Rhön region in 1937……….”

    James and Suzanne Pool’s Who Financed Hitler paints a picture that will disappoint conspiracy buffs but which may surprise those who have seen Hitler solely as a demonic megalomaniac because the left has portrayed him that way for the last 60 years. The bottom line is that Hitler rose to power legally via the ballot box. And he did it in large measure — though by no means exclusively — on the strength of small contributions from lower and middle class Germans who were most harmed by the war, by the Treaty of Versailles and the runaway inflation that it brought on and by the malevolent, pervasive threat of communist revolution.
    Among conspiracy believers it has long been an article of faith that Hitler was secretly funded by Bolshevism, by Wall Street or by international Jewish bankers. Indeed, World War II did make the world safe for Bolshevism, delivering half of Europe into communist hands. It also devastated the White nations of the world, killing millions of the flower of European manhood in the process. However, Who Financed Hitler presents little evidence to support the conspiracy thesis. Most of the money Hitler received from the wealthy class came from nationalist German, British, and American individuals acting alone, an example being car maker Henry Ford. If communism did provide money, it constituted only a small fraction of Hitler’s backing.
    The truth is that Hitler was the most popular politician in Germany in the late ’20s and early ’30s. He did not seize power by overthrowing a legitimate regime. He garnered the votes of millions of ordinary German workers, shop owners and artisans. He was opposed not only by communists — with whom he waged, quite literally, a battle to the death — but also by most of Germany’s military, industrial and intellectual leadership. His « Brown Shirt » street army has been condemned, but in post-WWI Germany it was a necessary self-defense tactic adapted from the communists, who routinely used mob violence against opponents.

  54. Anthony, I have noticed that whenever I post concrete evidence that Fritz Thiesen denied I PAID HITLER was factual and also proof that this was excepted as truth by the allied control council, you delete those comments, why is that?

    • I have only deleted comments in which you were unnecessarily insulting Mike, including an invitation to repost without the insults. I welcome this discussion very much, as do many others, feel free to repost anything, I appreciate the marked improvement in tone of voice and the wealth of information.

  55. Dublinmick – Prince Bernhard was not a Nazi, or a member of anything related to the nsDAP, I find it interesting as to how anyone could be born as a member of the German workers party? I challenge you to prove this fantasticaly sensational false claim? you will ignore this as you always do when asked for evidence… Here is some proof that you re posting completely false information

    Holland 1940

    My name had been submitted for promotion to ss untersturmfuhrer, of the reserve, to take place November 9th 1940, a customary date for promotions in the SS. I had been invited to a birthday party at a nice restaurant with some other comrades. We were well mannered and the party reached its climax around midnight, when the restaurant was almost empty. We than noticed a picture on the back wall that attracted our attention – a photograph of Prince Bernhard (husband of Queen Juliana) in a Dutch uniform. We could not understand why German headquarters would permit the public display of this photograph. In any event we did not like it and decided to express our displeasure. We called the waiter, “Take that picture, there, away!” He either could not or would not, and instead called the restaurant owner, who also refused to remove it. Their intransigence did not suit us hotheads. Suddenly, one of us got the idea to give the innkeeper an ultimatum: “If the picture has not been removed in the next five minutes we will shoot it down!” At first, I do not think we actually intended to carry out our threat, but after the five minutes had passed, the curfew was in effect and the restaurant was empty. So we reached for our pistols, and, in our inebriated state, shot the picture to pieces.

    Naturally the incident was reported to our regimental commander early that morning. We were ordered to report to him with steel helmets and side arms. The bellowing reprimand that followed reduced five sergeants to five poor sinners. We were confined to quarters for five days. I was also notified that my recommendation for promotion in November would be withdrawn immediately. Although Prince Bernhard was an enemy of the German Reich and wanted for arrest for being part of a British Operation while declaring himself neutral, he had in fact violated that neutrality and engaged in the movement of enemy troops into “neutral” Holland, which was bound by its treaty obligations not to help either the German Wehrmacht nor the Allied Powers.

    For Germany
    Otto Skorzeny
    pages 78 & 79
    ISBN # 0-912138-93-9

    Explain that Mick!

  56. Hitler was a rot schild Oh Really??

    Niall Ferguson the house of rothschilde volume 2

    “An altogether more ruthless coalition had come to power in Germany in 1933, dominated by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Hostility to the Rothschilds’ had been a feature of Nazi propaganda from the movement’s infancy (see introduction to volume 1) despite the fact that the Frankfurt house had been wound up when Hitler was barely twelve years old. It was a hostility that soon translated into action. At first the attacks were largely symbolic: in December 1933 the Frankfurt Rothschildallee was renamed Karolingerallee, while the Luisenplatz and Mathildenstrasse lost the plaques identifying them with members of the family. It was not until April 1938, with the “Ordinance on the Registration of Jewish Assets,” that Rothschild property came under direct attack. In the wake of the orchestrated anti-Semitic demonstrations of the following November (Reichskristallnacht), nearly all the myriad of charitable and educational foundations — of which there were around twenty — were dissolved, with the exception of the Carolinum Dental Clinic, which had become part of the Frankfurt University. The largest of these, the Baron Wilhelm Carl von Rothschild Foundation, was “Aryanised” under pressure from the city authorities, so that all references to its founder were expunged. At the same time, the Reich Association of Jews in Germany was forced to sell the Mathilde von Rothschild Paediatric Hospital, the Georgine Sara von Rothschild Foundation for Infirm Foreign Israelites and the Rothschild residence at Grosser Wollgraben 26 to the Frankfurt municipality. The Gestapo also confiscated the A.M. von Rothschild Sanatorium for Lung Diseases in the Black Forest. At least four other Rothschild-founded institutions suffered the same fate.

    The private property of the few family members still resident in Germany was expropriated by similar methods, though there was in fact relatively little of it left by 1938. Before the process of confiscation began, Max von-Goldscmidt-Rothschild’s son Albert, Rudolf and Erich sold the family houses at the Grüneburg and Königstein and opted to emigrate (Albert to Switzerland, where he committed suicide in 1941 when faced with the threat of expulsion). But Maximilian — now 95 — was too old to leave. He stayed on in the house in the Bockenheimer Landstrasse, with the garden which his wife’s great-uncle Amschel had acquired over a century before the earliest days of Jewish emancipation in Frankfurt. Or rather he was allowed to occupy a room in the house; for in tragic fulfilment of Amschel’s nightmare — dating back to the night in 1815 when he first slept in the “free air” of the garden — Maximilian was forced to sell the property to the city of Frankfurt for just 610,000 reichsmarks (less tax). In the aftermath of Kristallnacht he was also obliged to sell his art collection to the city for 2.3 million reichsmarks (again less tax) and to donate a further 25 percent of his remaining assets to the Reich as an “atonement payment”…

    … Discovered, was no longer the Vienna house by the Alliance. In addition, the Witkowitz board had safeguarded against sequestration the company’s stake in the Swedish Freya ore mines as well as £200,000 in foreign currency. Louis [Nathaniel de Rothschild of Austria] therefore had a real bargaining position. When Himmler sought to ingratiate himself by sending some ornate French furniture to the prison, he was able to send it away complaining that it made his cell look like a “Cracow Bordello.” Although Louis had to hand over most of his Austrian assets to secure his own release, the family was able to insist that a price be paid for Witkowitz (albeit a discounted price). But such legal niceties were ultimately bound to be swept aside by Nazi force majeure. Eugene’s hopes of selling the ironworks to the Czechoslovak state for £10 million were dashed when Hitler bullied the Prague government into accepting partition in March 1939. With the works effectively under German control, Goring’s Commissioner Hans Kehrl, Rasche and Paul Pleiger (the Reichswerke’s general director). At the same time Fritz Kranefuss — Himmler’s adjutant and a supervisory board member of the Dresdner bank — informed Rasche on the basis of Sicherheitsdienst intelligence that the transfer abroad of the ownership of Witkowitz had been illegal under currency laws. Finally, in July 1939, it was agreed to sell the plant for £2.9 million. However, the outbreak of war gave the Germans the perfect excuse not to pay. As a result, Witkowitz joined the lengthening list of Rothschild properties confiscated without compensation by the Nazi regime. In January 1941 Goring was able to take the process a step further when 43,300 Witkowitz shares were seized from the vaults of the Paris house (though even this did not give him a technical controlling interest). (It was not until 1953 that the communist government established in Czechoslovakia in 1948 finally paid compensation to the Rothschilds — amounting to £1 millon — for the works.) Yet it was not their industrial investments which Hitler and his lackeys really coveted so much as their investments in art — the Old Masters, the Sevres, the Louis Quinze bureaus — which were the most dazzling fruits of the family’s financial success. In fleeing Austria, Alphonse had left behind one of the great European private collections; and attempts to buy it by Lord Duveen (possibly bidding on behalf of the original owners) were in vain. For the acquisition of so many old masters had given Hitler the idea of establishing a new German gallery at Linz, to give the Reich its Louvre. In 1939 he authorized Hans Posse to begin work on the project, putting the best works seized from Austrian Jews into a “Fuhrer reserve” for this purpose. …

    Up until the outbreak of war in 1939, the corollary of the expropriation of the Jews was their emigration from German territory. (It was significant in this respect that the Rothschild palace in the Prinz Eugenstrasse was occupied by Adolf Eichmann’s Central Office for Jewish Emigration, which worked closely with Rafelsberger’s Asset Transactions Office.) Naturally many (though not all) German and Austrian Jews wanted to get out, while the Nazis had no objection to their leaving, provided they could be mulcted in the process. Leading German Jewish bankers — notably Max Warburg — saw little alternative but to facilitate this process. However, for Jews like the Rothschilds who remained outside the area of German control, this created a number of acute dilemmas. …

    The only logical solution was therefore to find some alternative territory for the Jews to go to. The Nazis themselves thought of Madagascar. Interestingly, Guy Burgess’s first assignment (when he was still a freelance intelligence agent) from MI6′s D section was — as he faithfully reported to Moscow in December 1938 — “to activate Lord Rothschild” in an attempt to “split the Jewish movement” and “create an opposition to Zionism and Dr Weitzmann [sic].” At around the same time, the Paris house [of the Rothschild family] forwarded to New Court a proposal to purchase 200,000 acres of Brazil’s Mato Grosso “for colonisation purposes”; and another to settle Jews in Sudan’s Upper Nile Valley between Malakhal and Bor — supposedly “a huge territory … with no population and where Jews might organize themselves an important colony.” Kenya, Northern Rhodesia and Guiana were also considered. Only at the eleventh hour, it seems, did the Rothschilds recognize the need to admit refugees into Britain and France. In March 1939 Edouard’s wife Germaine turned an old house at the edge of the Ferrieres estate into a hostel for around 150 refugee children. After the German invasion they were evacuated south and later dispersed, some escaping to the United States. …

    By 1939, of course, numerous members of the Rothschild family were themselves refugees. The German invasion of France in May 1940 increased their number substantially. Even before the fall of Paris, Robert had already reached the safety of Montreal, taking with him his wife Nelly and daughters Diane and Cecile. It was not until July, however, that his cousin and senior partner Edouard — now in his seventies — opted to leave France, finally reaching the United States after a circuitous journey through Spain and Portugal. (He too was accompanied by his wife Germaine and daughter Bethsabee, his eldest daughter Jacqueline having already settled in America with her second husband.) Their former partner Maurice also ended up in Canada, while his ex-wife Noemie and son Edmond took refuge at the estate at Pregny. The other French Rothschild of that generation, Henri, was already resident in Portugal. Finally, Alain’s pregnant wife reached the US via Spain and Brazil, while Guy’s wife Alix took the route through Argentina, though she later rejoined her husband.

    … Occupied France to confiscate “possessions of the Palais Rothschild,” including any which had been handed over to the French state. The following month, the Germans ordered that administrators be put in charge of the Jewish firms. The Luftwaffe and later a German general occupied the Rothschild house at 23 avenue de Marigny.

    Yet the Germans soon found themselves in competition with the puppet Vichy regime they themselves had called into being. Even before Keitel’s order, the Petain regime issued a decree which declared that all Frenchman who had left mainland France after May 10 had “removed themselves from the responsibilities and duties of members of the national community.” Accordingly, their assets were to be confiscated and sold, the proceeds going to the Vichy state. This was explicitly applied to Edouard, Robert and Henri. Soon after this, Petain laid claim to the Rothschild offices in the rue Laffitte for a government welfare agency and showed every sign of intending to treat other buildings belonging to the family in a similar fashion, putting them all in the hands of a new Public Property Office.

    In some ways, it made little difference to the Rothschilds whether it was the Germans or the Vichy regime which stole their property. The latter was motivated by anti-Semitism too, as evidenced by the decrees Petain issued on October 3, 1940 and June 2, 1941, which drastically restricted the rights of French Jews, and the constant vitriolic attacks on the Rothschilds in pro-German papers like Partis-Soir and Au Pilori. Nor can it be seriously argued that Vichy officials were somehow more lenient in their treatment of Rothschild property than the Germans would have been. Maurice Janicot, who ran Petain’s Public Property Office, is said to have prevented the Germans from clearing the cellars of Lafite, for example; but a lack of buyers seems the most likely explanation for his failure to sell Elie’s Neuilly stable of horses, Alain’s house on the rue du Cirque and Miriam’s houses in Boulogne and Paris. As can be seen from his statement to German authorities in May 1941 — to the effect that de Rothschild Freres now belonged to the Vichy state — the aim was to pre-empt the Germans, not to protect the Rothschilds. The attempt by Petain’s Commissariat for the Jewish Questions to convert the Institut de biologie physico-chimique founded by Edmond in 1927 into a laboratory for the eugenicist Alex Carrel says much about the fundamental compatibility of Vichy and the Third Reich.

    … If Hitler had successfully launched “Operation Sealion” in the summer of 1940, when Britain was at her most vulerable, a similar fate might have befallen the English Rothschilds and their remaining private collections — a worse fate probably, as the invasion of Britain would have made the ultimate defeat of Germany infinitately harder to achieve.“

    • Meister Strobach: At the risk of alienating myself from your detractors, I must say you are the most amazing historian I have ever encountered. I am sure your knowledge regarding these moments of history is daunting for most readers of this forum.
      It is refreshing to notice the betterment of your rhetoric in these last few posts, as you certainly do not have to resort to personal attack in order to clarify your position.
      My best regards and wishes. Paul Vonharnish

      • I don’t need to attack thee liars but I am a stainless steel welder by trade, heavy meal guitarist and 30 years old so I am the poisoned youth who is pissed off!

        thanks Paul, its simply a matter of telling the truth…. TRUTH!!!

        • You know that rock music was created by sybaritic pagan cults for their depraved rites and now used by the elites to intellectually and spiritually degrade us?

          It’s truly a shame given that Germany has such a redoubtable classical music tradition.

          • that’s utterly stupid… congratulations on being the biggest idiot alive!

          • music and culture are weapons of psychological warfare. Maybe you should acquaint yourself with the Frankfurt school. They helped create the methods they have used to destroy peoples morals through art, music and culture that does not aspire to the beautiful as sublime but that which is ugly, irrational and hedonistic. Heavy metal is all of this degeneration. You will see what a dupe you are, perhaps the worst.

  57. The fact that the Nazis seized and dismantled Rothschild assets and interests in Germany, France and Austria (which became part of the Third Reich after 1938′s Anschluss), as well as arrested Austrian-Jewish banking kingpin Louis von Rothschild, is not in question, despite what suspicious internet characters try to propagate. The oft-repeated claim that Hitler “didn’t go after the Rothschilds” or “left the Rothschilds alone” is, as you have just witnessed, a barefaced falsehood perpetrated by, what can only amount to, Jewish disinformation agents.

    A brief biography of Louis von Rothschild (1882-1955), states:

    “The collapse of the Creditanstalt in 1931 had an impact across Europe and caused death of a bank. Only action of the Paris and London Rothschild banks could collapse the Vienna Rothschild bank is prevented. A foreign creditor Cttee led by Lionel Rothschild / London and Lord Kindersley, the bank finally restored. But only a few years later came the final blow: 1938 Louis was arrested by the Nazis and held for a year in jail until the complicated negotiations over his release were completed. Rothschild was allowed to leave the country only if he renounced all Austrian possessions. A truly princely ransom. The war effort Vítkovice plant, which provided 30% of crude steel, 30% coal and 40% of the pig iron was in Austria, but was previously transferred to an English company, so that the Nazis could not confiscate the works simply. It was not until after the outbreak of the war Goering took over the works. (After the war, the Czech Communists confiscated the work and paid the Rothschilds in 1953, a compensation) The vast art collections (several 1000 objects) of the Rothschilds were also seized. This ended the presence of the Rothschilds on Austrian soil. The childless Louis went into exile in the United States.”

    The modern-day Rothschilds themselves are still kvetching about it on their website:

    “The crash of 1929 brought problems, not least in Austria where Louis von Rothschild struggled hard to shore up the Creditanstalt, Austria’s largest bank, to prevent collapse. Less than a decade later a darker tide arrived; the Austrian Rothschilds’ interests were seized in 1938 by the Nazis, bringing to an end more than a century at the heart of middle European banking. In France and Austria, the family was scattered for the duration of the war.”

    Several New York Times articles also refer to this event:

    “… The [Austrian Rothschild] family’s holdings were seized by the Nazis during the German Anschluss in 1938. [. . .] Their holdings had been vastly reduced, in part because of wartime destruction by the Nazis….” (“At $90 Million, Rothschild Sale Exceeds Goals.” New York Times. July 09, 1999.)

    “A year after the Austrian Government agreed to return about $40 million worth of art and objects that the Nazis confiscated from the Austrian branch of the Rothschild family, members of the 256-year-old banking dynasty have decided to sell the collection.” (“Austrian Rothschilds Decide to Sell; Sotheby’s in London Will Auction $40 Million in Art Seized by Nazis.” New York Times. April 10, 1999.)

    The only people in the world who foolishly allege that this didn’t happen are the lying anti-Hitler fetishists of the David Icke persuasion who dismiss and try to cast doubt upon anything and everything that doesn’t coincide with their kosher-approved “theories.” These buffoons are harboring a subversive pro-Jewish agenda. They aim at casting aspersions upon anyone who resists Jewry in word and deed, as Hitler and the National Socialists did so efficiently and courageously.

    In 1940, Reich Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels commissioned the production of a film exposing the criminal historical machinations of the Rothschild family entitled, The Rothschilds: Shares in Waterloo. It was the first of three counter-semitic movies made in 1940 by the Nazi regime. The film provided a historical account of the Rothschild family’s rise to fortune, set mostly in Britain during the Napoleonic wars. An indictment of Jewish intrigue and avarice, the film aimed at illustrating the “Judafication” of British society at the hands of the Rothschilds, demonstrating that the Britons had become “the Jews among Aryans.”

    All of this, of course, flies in the face of the slanderous disinfo-peddlers who chant the mindless slogan: “Hitler was a Rothschild agent!” These deranged cretins will continue to infect the internet with their poisonous propaganda against Hitler and National Socialism. The crypto-Jews masquerading as “anti-Zionists” who voraciously propagate these pernicious lies about Hitler seek to demoralize us by denigrating the solutions that solved the Jewish problem in the past, and by doing so aim at derailing any future resistance to Jewry. These rotten snakes hope to smash the resolve and will power that heroic figures like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels inspire in modern-day resistors of Jewish tyranny.

    As the fearless truth martyr Joseph Goebbels said in 1945: “There will come a day, when all the lies will collapse under their own weight, and truth will again triumph.”

  58. Friedrich Thiessen – Fritz Thyssen = THE REAL STORY

    The ridiculous Bush/Nazi connection (its a complete fabrication) is based on a book that I supposedly a memoir or dictated by Fritz entitled “I Paid Hitler.” The journalist who claims to have received this most astonishing story was Emery Revs? or something? (don’t care) United States 1941

    In 1939 Fritz Thyssen had moved to Switzerland with his family. In 1940 he sought refuge in France. Fritz, was arrested by the Vichy Regime of France. After being returned to Germany, the National Socialist government confined him to a sanitarium near Berlin. From 1943 to 1945 Fritz was an inmate in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp. His wife was with him throughout all of these places so we must assume that the treatment of inmates was quire a lot better than that meted out to the Bolsheviks victims in the cruel Gulag death camps… She stayed with him and in February 1945 they went to Dachau until April 1945 when they were moved with other VIP prisoners to be trade, marched, to Tyrol where Himmler was attempting to trade them for leniency.

    Fritz and his wife were finally “Liberated” in May of 1945, Fritz was immediately put on trial as a Nazi war criminal! They kept him imprisoned for 5 years before they releasedFriedrich Thiessen – Fritz Thyssen = THE REAL STORY

    The ridiculous Bush/Nazi connection (its a complete fabrication) is based on a book that I supposedly a memoir or dictated by Fritz entitled “I Paid Hitler.” The journalist who claims to have received this most astonishing story was Emery Revs? or something? (don’t care) United States 1941

    In 1939 Fritz Thyssen had moved to Switzerland with his family. In 1940 he sought refuge in France. Fritz, was arrested by the Vichy Regime of France. After being returned to Germany, the National Socialist government confined him to a sanitarium near Berlin. From 1943 to 1945 Fritz was an inmate in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp. His wife was with him throughout all of these places so we must assume that the treatment of inmates was quire a lot better than that meted out to the Bolsheviks victims in the cruel Gulag death camps… She stayed with him and in February 1945 they went to Dachau until April 1945 when they were moved with other VIP prisoners to be trade, marched, to Tyrol where Himmler was attempting to trade them for leniency.

    Fritz and his wife were finally “Liberated” in May of 1945, Fritz was immediately put on trial as a Nazi war criminal! They kept him imprisoned for 5 years before they released him. When he was finally released Fritz and his wife moved to Argentina where he died a year later. This man had a pretty depressing decade him. When he was finally released Fritz and his wife moved to Argentina where he died a year later. This man had a pretty depressing decade.

    The idea that the German Industrialists as a class along with the working class in particular supported Adolf Hitler and his grand social revolution as a mater of pride and honor is the real story here. Immediately upon being released Thyssen began to challenge the book “I Paid Hitler” on the grounds that not ony was it completely false but it was also an absolute forgery. Notice how in the false book “I Paid Hitler” they at least got one thing right, none of the supposed funders of Hitler was jewish! Thyssen, for his part disputed the authenticiy of the book as he did not write nor dictate any such record. He stood firm in his defense that he did not write nor dictae such a book and this was upheld by the post war de-nazification tribunal!

    • Excuse the seemingly impudent question, but why should we believe Fritz? Why wouldn’t he deny his account when faced with charges of Nazi collaboration in nuermberg?

      Why should we trust the American government? Maybe Thyssen financial and political influence was parlayed into a false dismissal of the accusations? Weren’t many Germans falsely accused wrongly, in your view, punished in nuermberg as well?

    • I can’t blame the national socialist revisionists for being incensed about their man AH being associated with the republican party. AH’s image has been tarnished enough without also being known as a racist, malthusian fascist.

  59. This is an interesting discussion, stop spamming the board with this nonsense field marshall Stroback.

    With the plethora of information now available on the internet for those wishing to look, I think at this time for anyone who can read and possesses the power of reason, it is impossible to believe fairy tales purveyed in many circles that Adolf Hitler was a populist and man of the people. We are speaking of a man here who was put into power by Wall Street bankers. He was Time Magazine’s Man Of The Year and referred to by notorious satanist Aleister Crowley as his magic child. I have thrown together a few snips from Anthony Sutton’s block buster book Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler. The PDF files are taken from This is an attempt to lay aside the bedtime stories concerning how Hitler lead the German people back from the abyss using the barter system. It is most certainly not true and even if it were he lead them back to the abyss with the slaughter of an estimated 30 million Germans.

    Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Antony C. Sutton

    The Delano family proudly traces its ancestors back to the Actii, a 600 B.C. Roman family. They are equally proud of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Indeed, the Delanos claim that the Delano influence was the predominant factor in FDR’s life work and accounts for his extraordinary achievements. Be that as it may, there is no question that the Delano side of the family links FDR to many other rulers and other politicians. According to the Delano family history,12 “Franklin shared common ancestry with one third of his predecessors in the White House.” The Presidents linked to FDR on the Delano side are John Adams, James Madison, John Quincy Adams, William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, Benjamin Harrison, and William Howard Taft. On the Roosevelt side of the family, FDR was related to Theodore Roosevelt and Martin Van Buren, who married Mary Aspinwall Roosevelt. The wife of George Washington, Martha Dandridge, was among FDR’s ancestors, and it is claimed by Daniel Delano that Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt were “eighth cousins, once removed.”13 This almost makes the United States a nation ruled by a royal family, a mini monarchy.

    The International Germanic Trust Company, founded in 1927, was prompted, according to its promoters, by a demand for American banking institutions in central Europe. Among the organizers of the trust as approved by the Banking Department of the State of New York were Franklin D. Roosevelt; Herman A. Metz, a director of I. G. Farben; James A. Beha, Superintendent of Insurance for the State of New York; and E. Roland Harriman of the international banking firm of W. A. Harriman & Co. The president of the associated International Germanic Company and chairman of the executive committee of the trust company was Harold G. Aron, who had had more than his share of law suits involving stock promotion. The main offices of the International Germanic Trust were on the ground floor of 26 Broadway, the Standard Oil Building in New York.

    He said, “The time has come now to get the soldiers together.” “Yes,” I said, “I think so, too.” He said, “I went abroad to study the part that the veteran plays in the various set-ups of the governments that they have abroad. I went to Italy for 2 or 3 months and studied the position that the veterans of Italy occupy in the Fascist set-up of Government, and I discovered that they are the background of Mussolini. They keep them on the pay rolls in various ways and keep them contented and happy; and they are his real backbone, the force on which he may depend, in case of trouble, to sustain him. But that set-up would not suit us at all. The soldiers of America would not like that. I then went to Germany to see what Hitler was doing, and his whole strength lies in organizations of soldiers, too. But that would not do. I looked into the Russian business. I found that the use of the soldiers over there would never appeal to our men. Then I went to France, and I found just exactly the organization we are going to have. It is an organization of super soldiers.” He gave me the French name for it, but I do not recall what it is. I never could have pronounced it, anyhow. But I do know that it is a super organization of members of all the other soldiers’ organizations of France, composed of noncommissioned officers and officers. He told me that they had about 500,000 and that each one was a leader of 10 others, so that it gave them 5,000,000 votes. And he said, “Now, that is our idea here in America—to get up an organization of that kind.”2

    He said: “I have been traveling around looking around. Now, about this super organization—would you be interested in heading it?” I said, “I am interested in it, but I do not know about heading it. I am very greatly interested in it, because you know. Jerry, my interest is, my one hobby is, maintaining a democracy. If you get these 500,000 soldiers advocating anything smelling of Fascism, I am going to get 500,000 more and lick the hell out of you, and we will have a real war right at home. You know that.” “Oh, no. We do not want that. We want to ease up on the President.” “Yes; and then you will put somebody in there you can run; is that the idea? The President will go around and christen babies and dedicate bridges, and kiss children. Mr. Roosevelt will never agree to that himself.” “Oh yes; he will. He will agree to that.”4

    At this point it is interesting to recall the role of many of these same financiers and financial firms in the Bolshevik Revolution—a role, incidentally, that could not have been known to General Butler5—and the use of similar Red scare tactics in the 1922 United Americans organization. Grayson M-P. Murphy was, in the early 1930s, a director of several companies controlled by the J.P. Morgan interests, including the Guaranty Trust Company, prominent in the Bolshevik Revolution, the New York Trust Company, and Bethlehem Steel, and was on the board of Inspiration Copper Company, National Aviation Corporation, Intercontinental Rubber Co., and U.S. & Foreign Securities. John W. Davis, the speech writer for General Butler, was a partner in Davis, Polk, Wardwell, Gardner & Reed of 15 Broad Street. Both Polk and Wardwell of this prestigious law firm, as well as Grayson Murphy, had roles in the Bolshevik Revolution. Further, Davis was also a co-director with Murphy in the Morgan-controlled Guaranty Trust Co. and a co director with Presidential hopeful Al Smith in the Metropolitan Life Insurance Co., as well as director of the Mutual Life Insurance Co., the U.S. Rubber Co., and American Telephone and Telegraph, the controlling unit of the Bell System.

    MR. FRENCH. [I saw] Gerald P. MacGuire in the offices of Grayson M.-P. Murphy & Co., the twelfth floor of 52 Broadway, shortly after 1 o’clock in the afternoon. He has a small private office there and I went into his office. I have here some direct quotes from him. As soon as I left his office I got to a typewriter and made a memorandum of everything that he told me. “We need a Fascist government in this country,” he insisted, “to save the Nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the, patriotism to do it are the soldiers and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men over night.” During the conversation he told me he had been in Italy and Germany during the summer of 1934 and the spring of 1934 and had made an intensive study of the background of the Nazi and Fascist movements and how the veterans had played a part in them. He said he had obtained enough information on the Fascist and Nazi movements and of the part played by the veterans, to properly set up one in this country.

    He emphasized throughout his conversation with me that the whole thing was tremendously patriotic, that it was saving the Nation from communists,

    He warmed up considerably after we got under way and he said, “We might go along with Roosevelt, and then do with him what Mussolini did with the King of Italy.” It fits in with what he told the general [Butler], that we would have a Secretary of General Affairs, and if Roosevelt played ball, swell; and if he did not, they would push him out.6

    Department within a few weeks of the outbreak in November 1917 (long before even a fraction of Russia came under Soviet control), expressed strong support for the revolution. Sands’ letter is reprinted in Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution. A memorandum to David Lloyd George, Prime Minister of England, from Morgan associate Dwight Morrow also urged support for the Bolshevik revolutionaries and backing for its armies. A director of the FRB of New York, William Boyce Thompson, donated $1 million to the Bolshevik cause and intervened with Lloyd George on behalf of the emerging Soviets.

    Hitler was the foster child of inflation

    The Treaty of Versailles after World War I imposed a heavy reparations burden on defeated Germany. This financial burden — a real cause of the German discontent that led to acceptance of Hitlerism — was utilized by the international bankers for their own benefit. The opportunity to float profitable loans for German cartels in the United States was presented by the Dawes Plan and later the Young Plan. Both plans were engineered by these central bankers, who manned the committees for their own pecuniary advantages, and although technically the committees were not appointed by the U.S. Government, the plans were in fact approved and sponsored by the Government.

    In 1924 the Allies appointed a committee of bankers (headed by American banker Charles G. Dawes) to develop a program of reparations payments. The resulting Dawes Plan was, according to Georgetown University Professor of International Relations Carroll Quigley, “largely a J.P. Morgan

    production.”5 The Dawes Plan arranged a series of foreign loans totaling $800 million with their proceeds flowing to Germany. These loans are important for our story because the proceeds, raised for the greater part in the United States from dollar investors, were utilized in the mid-1920s to create and consolidate the gigantic chemical and steel combinations of I. G. Farben and Vereinigte Stahlwerke, respectively. These cartels not only helped Hitler to power in 1933; they also produced the bulk of key German war materials used in World War II.

    It is worthy of note that this system was set up by the inter. national bankers and that the subsequent lending of other people’s money to Germany was very profitable to these bankers.6

    Who were the New York international bankers who formed these reparations commissions?

    The 1924 Dawes Plan experts from the United States were banker Charles Dawes and Morgan representative Owen Young, who was president of the General Electric Company. Dawes was chairman of the Allied Committee of Experts in 1924. In 1929 Owen Young became chairman of the Committee of Experts, supported by J.P. Morgan himself, with alternates T. W. Lamont, a Morgan partner, and T. N. Perkins, a banker with Morgan associations. In other words, the U.S. delegations were purely and simply, as Quigley has pointed out, J. P. Morgan delegations using the authority and seal of the United States to promote financial plans for their own pecuniary advantage. As a result, as Quigley puts it,

    the “international bankers sat in heaven, under a rain of fees and commissions.”7

    The German members of the Committee of Experts were equally interesting. In 1924 Hjalmar Schacht was president of the Reichsbank and had taken a prominent role in organization work for the Dawes Plan; so did German banker Carl Melchior. One of the 1928 German delegates was A. Voegler of the German steel cartel Stahlwerke Vereinigte. In brief, the two significant countries involved — the United States and Germany —were represented by the Morgan bankers on one side and Schacht and Voegler on the other, both of whom were key characters in the rise of Hitler’s Germany and subsequent German rearmament

    The Young Plan was assertedly a device to occupy Germany with American capital and pledge German real assets for a gigantic mortgage held in the United States. It is noteworthy that German firms with U.S. affiliations evaded the Plan by the device of temporary foreign ownership. For instance, A.E.G. (German General Electric), affiliated with General Electric in the U.S., was sold to a Franco-Belgian holding company and evaded the conditions of the Young Plan. It should be noted in passing that Owen Young was the major financial backer for Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United European venture when FDR, as a budding Wall Street financier, endeavoured to take advantage of Germany’s 1925 hyperinflation.

    It was such secret meetings, “… meetings more secret than any ever held by Royal Ark

    Masons or by any Rosicrucian Order…”14 between the central bankers at the “apex” of control that so intrigued contemporary journalists, although they only rarely and briefly penetrated behind the mask of secrecy.

    Building the German Cartels

    A practical example of international finance operating behind the scenes to build and manipulate politico-economic systems is found in the German cartel system. The three largest loans handled by the Wall Street international bankers for German borrowers in the 1920s under the Dawes Plan were for the benefit of three German cartels which a few years later aided Hitler and the Nazis to power. American financiers were directly represented on the boards of two of these three German cartels. This American assistance to German cartels has been described by James Martin as follows: “These loans for reconstruction became a vehicle for arrangements that did more to promote World War II than to establish

    peace after World War I.15

    Moreover, American assistance to Nazi war efforts extended into other areas.17 The two largest tank producers in Hitler’s Germany were Opel, a wholly owned subsidiary of General Motors (controlled by the J.P. Morgan firm), and the Ford A. G. subsidiary of the Ford Motor Company of Detroit. The Nazis granted tax-exempt status to Opel in 1936, to enable General Motors to expand its production facilities. General Motors obligingly reinvested the resulting profits into German industry. Henry Ford was decorated by the Nazis for his services to Naziism. (See p. 93.) Alcoa and Dow Chemical worked closely with Nazi industry with numerous transfers of their domestic U.S. technology.

    Aviation, in which the J.P. Morgan-controlled General Motors firm had a major stock interest, supplied Siemens & Halske A. G. in Germany with data on automatic pilots and aircraft instruments. As late as 1940, in the “unofficial war,” Bendix Aviation supplied complete technical data to Robert Bosch for aircraft and diesel engine starters and received royalty payments in return.

    In brief, American companies associated with the Morgan-Rockefeller international investment bankers — not, it should be noted, the vast bulk of independent American industrialists — were intimately related to the growth of Nazi industry. It is important to note as we develop our story that General Motors, Ford, General Electric, DuPont and the handful of U.S. companies intimately involved with the development of Nazi Germany were — except for the Ford Motor Company — controlled by the Wall Street elite — the J.P. Morgan firm, the Rockefeller Chase Bank and to a lesser extent the Warburg Manhattan

    bank.18 This book is not an indictment of all American industry and finance. It is an indictment of the “apex” — those firms controlled through the handful of financial houses, the Federal Reserve Bank system, the Bank for International Settlements, and their continuing international cooperative arrangements and cartels which attempt to control the course of world politics and economics.

    Qualified observers have argued that Germany could not have gone to war in 1939 without I. G. Farben. Between 1927 and the beginning of World War II, I.G. Farben doubled in size, an expansion made possible in great part by American technical assistance and by American bond issues, such as the one for $30 million offered by National City Bank. By 1939 I. G. acquired a participation and managerial influence in some 380 other German firms and over 500 foreign firms. The Farben empire owned its own coal mines, its own electric power plants, iron and steel units, banks, research units, and numerous commercial enterprises. There were over 2,000 cartel agreements between I. G. and foreign firms — including Standard Oil of New Jersey, DuPont, Alcoa, Dow Chemical, and others in the United States, The full story of I,G, Farben and its world-wide ae-tivities before World War II can never be known, as key German records were destroyed in 1945 in anticipation of Allied victory. However, one post-war investigation by the U.S, War Department concluded that:

    Without I. G.’s immense productive facilities, its intense re. search, and vast international affiliations, Germany’s prosecution of the war would have been unthinkable and impossible; Farben not only directed its energies toward arming Germany, but concentrated on weakening her intended victims, and this double-barreled attempt to expand the German industrial potential for war and to restrict that of the rest of the world was not conceived and executed “in the normal course of business.” The proof is overwhelming that I. G. Farben officials had full prior knowledge of Germany’s plan for world conquest and of each specific aggressive act later undertaken ….3

    The Schneider group is a famous firm of French armaments manufacturers. After recalling the Schneider influence in establishment of Fascism in Hungary and its extensive international armaments operations, Paul Fauré turns to Hitler, and quotes from the French paper LeJournal, “that Hitler had received 300,000 Swiss gold francs” from subscriptions opened in Holland under the case of a university professor named von Bissing. The Skoda plant at Pilsen, stated Paul Fauré, was controlled by the French Schneider family, and it was the Skoda directors von Duschnitz and von Arthaber who made the subscriptions to Hitler. Fauré concluded:

    . . . I am disturbed to see the directors of Skoda, controlled by Schneider, subsidizing the electoral campaign of M. Hitler; I am disturbed to see your firms, your financiers, your industrial cartels unite themselves with the most nationalistic of Germans ….

    This time Thyssen arranged a credit of 250,000 marks at the Bank Voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. at 18 Zuidblaak in Rotterdam, Holland, founded in 1918 with H.J. Kouwenhoven and D.C. Schutte as

    managing partners.12 This bank was a subsidiary of the August Thyssen Bank of Germany (formerly von der Heydt’s Bank A.G.). It was Thyssen’s personal banking operation, and it was affiliated with the W. A. Harriman financial interests in New York. Thyssen reported to his Project Dustbin interrogators that:

    I chose a Dutch bank because I did not want to be mixed up with German banks in my position, and because I thought it was better to do business with a Dutch bank, and I thought I would have the Nazis a little more in my hands.13

    Thyssen’s book I Paid Hitler, published in 1941, was purported to be written by Fritz Thyssen himself, although Thyssen denies authorship. The book claims that funds for Hitler — about one million marks — came mainly from Thyssen himself. I Paid Hitler has other unsupported assertions, for example that Hitler was actually descended from an illegitimate child of the Rothschild family. Supposedly Hitler’s grandmother, Frau Schickelgruber, had been a servant in the Rothschild household and while there became pregnant:

    … an inquiry once ordered by the late Austrian chancellor, Engelbert Dollfuss, yielded some interesting results, owing to the fact that the dossiers of the police department of the Austro-Hungarian monarch were remarkably complete.14

    This assertion concerning Hitler’s illegitimacy is refuted entirely in a more solidly based book by Eugene Davidson, which implicates the Frankenberger family, not the Rothschild family.

    Putzi: Friend of Hitler and Roosevelt

    Ernst Sedgewiek Hanfstaengl (or Hanfy or Putzi, as he was more usually called), like Hjalmar Horaee Greeley Sehacht, was another German-American at the core of the rise of Hitlerism. Hanfstaengl was born into a well-known New England family; he was a cousin of Civil War General John Sedgewiek and a grandson of another Civil War General, William Heine. Introduced to Hitler in the early l920s by Captain Truman-Smith, the U.S. Military Attaehe in Berlin, Putzi became an ardent Hitler supporter, on occasion financed the Nazis and, according to Ambassador William Dodd, “… is said to have saved Hitler’s life in 1923.”1

    By coincidence, S.S. leader Heinrich Himmler’s father was also Putni’s form master at the Royal Bavarian Wilhelms gymnasium. Putzi’s student day friends at Harvard University were “such outstanding future figures” as Walter Lippman, John Reed (who figures prominently in Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution), and Franklin D. Roosevelt. After a few years at Harvard, Putzi established the family art business in New York; it was a delightful combination of business and pleasure, for as he says, “the famous names who visited me were legion, Pierpont Morgan, Toscanini, Henry Ford, Caruso, Santos-Dumont,

    Charlie Chaplin, Paderewski, and a daughter of President Wilson.”2 It was also at Harvard that Putzi made friends with the future President Franklin Delano Roosevelt:

    I took most of my meals at the Harvard Club, where I made friends with the young Franklin D. Roosevelt, at that time a rising New York State Senator. Also I received several invitations to visit his distant cousin Teddy, the former President, who had retired to his estate at Sagamore Hill.3

    From these varied friendships (or perhaps after reading this book and its predecessors, Wall Street and FDR and Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, the reader may consider Putzi’s friendship to have been confined to a peculiarly elitist circle), Putzi became not only an early friend, backer and financier of Hitler, but among those early Hitler supporters he was, “., . almost the only person who crossed the lines of his (Hitler’s) groups of


    Putzi certainly helped finance the first Nazi daily press, the Volkische Beobachter. Whether he saved Hitler’s life from the Communists is less verifiable, and while kept out of the actual writing process of Mein Kampf — much to his disgust — Putzi did have the honor to finance its publication, “and the fact that Hitler found a functioning staff when he was

    released from jail was entirely due to our efforts. ,”7

    Putzi — by his own admission — was in the Palace room at the other end of the tunnel leading to the Reichstag. And according to The Reichstag Fire Trial, Putzi Hanfstaengl was actually in the Palace itself during the fire:

    The prominent financial backer of an early Roosevelt Wall Street venture from 120 Broadway was Gerard Swope of General Electric. And it was “Swope’s Plan” that became Roosevelt’s New Deal — the fascist plan thatHerbert Hoover was unwilling to foist on the United States. In brief, both Hitler’s New Order and Roosevelt’s New Deal were backed by the same industrialists and in content were quite similar — i.e., they were both plans for a corporate state.

    Keppler Circle came under the influence and protection of S.S. chief Himmler and the organizational control of Cologne banker and prominent Nazi businessman Kurt von Schroder. Schroder, it will be recalled, was head of the J.H. Stein Bank in Germany and affiliated with the L. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation of New York. It is within this innermost of the inner circles, the very core of Naziism, that we find Wall Street, including Standard Oil of New Jersey and I.T.T., represented from 1933 to as late as 1944.

    When we examine the names comprising both the original pre-1933 Keppler Circle and the post-1933 expanded Keppler and Himmler’s Circle, we find the Wall Street multi-nationals heavily represented — more so than any other institutional group. Let us take each Wall Street multinational or its German associate in turn — those identified in Chapter Seven as linked to financing Hitler — and examine their links to Keppler and Heinrich Himmler.

    Similarly, we can identify other Wall Street institutions represented in the early Keppler’s Circle of Friends, confirming their monetary contributions to the National Trusteeship Fund operated by Rudolf Hess on behalf of Adolf Hitler. These representatives were Emil Heinrich Meyer and banker Kurt von Schroder on the boards of all the I.T.T. subsidiaries in Germany, and Emil Helffrich, the board chairman of DAPAG, 94-percent owned by Standard Oil of New Jersey.

    German General Electric profited greatly from its association with Himmler and other leading Nazis. Several members of the Schroder clique were directors of A.E.G., the most prominent being Robert Pferdmenges, who was not only a member of the Keppler or Himmler Circles but was a partner in the aryanized banking house Pferdmenges & Company, the successor to the former Jewish banking house Sal Oppenheim of Cologne. Waldemar von Oppenheim achieved the dubious distinction (for a German Jew) of“honorary Aryan” and was able to continue his old established banking house under Hitler in partnership with Pferdmenges.

    After Hitler gained power, U.S. firms and individuals worked on behalf of Naziism and certainly profited from the Nazi state. We know from the diaries of William Dodd, the American Ambassador to Germany, that in 1933 a stream of Wall Street bankers and industrialists filed through the U.S. Embassy in Berlin, expressing their admiration for Adolf Hitler — and anxious to find ways to do business with the new totalitarian regime.

    For example, on September 1, 1933 Dodd recorded that Henry Mann of the National City Bank and Winthrop W. Aldrich of the Chase Bank both met with Hitler and “these bankers

    feel they can work with him.”1 Ivy Lee, the Rockefeller public relations agent, according to Dodd “showed himself at once a capitalist and an advocate of Fascism.”2

    So at least we can identify a sympathetic response to the new Nazi dictatorship, reminiscent of the manner in which Wall Street international bankers greeted the new Russia of Lenin and Trotsky in 1917.

    … the most documented account of the National Socialists’ sudden acquisition of funds was contained in a book published in Holland in 1933, by the old established Amsterdam publishing house of Van Holkema & Warendorf, called De Geldbronnen van Het Nationaal-Socialisme (Drie Gesprekken Met Hitler) under the name “Sidney Warburg.”

    A book with this title in Dutch by “Sidney Warburg” was indeed published in 1933, but

    remained on the book stalls in Holland only for a matter of days. The book was purged.4 One of three surviving original copies was translated into English. The translation was at one time deposited in the British Museum, but is now withdrawn from public circulation and is unavailable for research. Nothing is now known of the original Dutch copy upon which this English translation was based.

    In the next Warburg-Hitler meeting, Hitler argued that “the Soviets cannot miss our industrial products yet. We will give credit, and if I am not able to deflate France myself, then the Soviets will help me.” Hitler said he had two plans for takeover in Germany: (a) the revolution plan, and (b), the legal takeover plan. The first plan would be a matter of three months, the second plan a matter of three years. Hitler was quoted as saying, “revolution costs five hundred million marks, legal takeover costs two hundred million marks — what will your bankers decide?”

    Putzi wavers

    I carried out my assignment strictly down to the last detail. Hitler is dictator of the largest European country. The world has now observed him at work for several months. My opinion of him means nothing now. His actions will prove if he is bad, which I believe he is. For the sake of the German people I hope in my heart that I am wrong. The world continues to suffer under a system that has to bow to a Hitler to keep itself on its feet. Poor world, poor humanity.

    1) the business of the Ford subsidiaries in France substantially increased; (2) their production was solely for the benefit of the Germans and the countries under its occupation; (3) the Germans have “shown clearly their wish to protect the Ford interests” because of the attitude of strict neutrality maintained by Henry Ford and the late Edsel Ford; and (4) the increased activity of the French Ford subsidiaries on behalf of the Germans received the commendation of the Ford family in America.1

    At the end of World War II, Wall Street moved into Germany through the Control Council to protect their old cartel friends and limit the extent to which the denazification fervor would damage old business relationships.

    Extracts from the Morgenthau diary demonstrate that Wall Street political power was sufficient even to control the appointment of officers responsible for the denazification and eventual government of post-war Germany.

    First: that Wall Street financed the German cartels in the mid-1920s which in turn proceeded to bring Hitler to power.

    Second: that the financing for Hitler and his S.S. street thugs came in part from affiliates or subsidiaries of U.S. firms, including Henry Ford in 1922, payments by I.G. Farben and General Electric in 1933, followed by the Standard Oil of New Jersey and I.T.T. subsidiary payments to Heinrich Himmler up to 1944.

    Third: that U.S. multi-nationals under the control of Wall Street profited handsomely from Hitler’s military construction program in the 1930s and at least until 1942.

    Krupp, aimed at restricting U.S. development of tungsten carbide, which worked to the detriment of the U.S. in World War II. We concluded that A.E.G. plants in Germany managed, by a yet unknown maneuver, to avoid bombing by the Allies.

    Two men were then backed as leaders for major Western countries: Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States and Adolf Hitler in Germany. The Roosevelt New Deal and Hitler’s Four Year Plan had great similarities. The Roosevelt and Hitler plans were plans for fascist takeovers of their respective countries. While Roosevelt’s NRA failed, due to then-operating constitutional constraints, Hitler’s Plan succeeded.

    On May 1st, 1918, when the Bolsheviks controlled only a small fraction of Russia (and were to come near to losing even that fraction in the summer of 1918), the American League to Aid and Cooperate with Russia was organized in Washington, D.C. to support the Bolsheviks. This was not a “Hands off Russia” type of committee formed by the Communist Party U.S.A. or its allies. It was a committee created by Wall Street with George P. Whalen of Vacuum Oil Company as Treasurer and Coffin and Oudin of General Electric, along with Thompson of the Federal Reserve System, Willard of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, and assorted socialists.

    Is the United States Ruled by a Dictatorial Elite?

    Within the last decade or so, certainly since the 1960s, a steady flow of literature has presented a thesis that the United States is ruled by a self-perpetuating and unelected power elite. Even further, most of these books aver that this elite controls, or at the least heavily influences, all foreign and domestic policy decisions, and that no idea becomes respectable or is published in the United States without the tacit approval, or perhaps lack of disapproval, of this elitist circle.

    Whereas in the early and mid-1960s, any concept of rule by a conspiratorial elite, or indeed any kind of elite, was reason enough to dismiss the proponent out of hand as a “nut case,” the atmosphere for such concepts has changed radically.

    Twentieth-century history, as recorded in Establishment textbooks and journals, is inaccurate. It is a history which is based solely upon those official documents which various Administrations have seen fit to release for public consumption.

    The total result of this manipulation of society by the Establishment elite has been four major wars in sixty years, a crippling national debt, abandonment of the Constitution, suppression of freedom and opportunity, and creation of a vast credibility gulf between the man in the street and Washington, D.C. While the transparent device of two major parties trumpeting artificial differences, circus-like conventions, and the cliche of “bipartisan foreign policy” no longer carries credibility, and the financial elite itself recognizes that its policies lack public acceptance, it is obviously prepared to go it alone without even nominal public support.

    What this revisionist history really teaches us is that our willingness as individual citizens to surrender political power to an elite has cost the world approximately two-hundred-million persons killed from 1820 to 1975. Add to that untold misery the concentration camps, the political prisoners, the suppression and oppression of those who try to bring the truth to light.

    • This is off topic but I think is worth noting that although FDR was backed by the elite and that they had plans for him to deliver a fascist program to the United States,

      “The prominent financial backer of an early Roosevelt Wall Street venture from 120 Broadway was Gerard Swope of General Electric. And it was “Swope’s Plan” that became Roosevelt’s New Deal — the fascist plan thatHerbert Hoover was unwilling to foist on the United States. In brief, both Hitler’s New Order and Roosevelt’s New Deal were backed by the same industrialists and in content were quite similar — i.e., they were both plans for a corporate state.”

      I definitely believe he betrayed them and offered something quite the opposite. His economic bill of rights is a clear example this:

      “It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

      This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

      As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

      We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

      In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

      Among these are:

      The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

      The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

      The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

      The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

      The right of every family to a decent home;

      The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

      The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

      The right to a good education.

      All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

      America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.”

      Further proof that his New Deal program was a betrayal of the elite fascism lies in the many programs he helped to enact:

      Civil Works Administration (CWA) , Federal Credit Union Act establishing credit unions, US Rural Electrification Administration, Executive Order 8802 forbidding discrimination, “GI Bill of Rights” (Servicemen’s Readjustment Act), Emergency Banking Act/Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), Federal Emergency Relief Administration (FERA), Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), Indian Reorganization Act of 1934 , National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) of June 1933 , Public Works Association (PWA) , Federal Securities Act of May 1933/ Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) , Home Owners Loan Corporation (HOLC) / Agriculture Adjustment Administration (AAA) , Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) (May 1993), Works Progress Administration (WPA) 1935-1943 , Farm Security Administration (FSA) , National Labor Relations Act (Wagner Act), Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 , Social Security Act .

      • I like your post, but always felt FDR had big nasty teeth lurking somewhere behind the front cover smile. He comes off very Orwellian in that he accomplishes just about polar opposites of his stated goals. You know? Like: His abject failure to move the seventh fleet out to sea and away from Pearl Harbor resulted in the decimation of our fleet. War is Peace. Prosperity is based on a rain filled trench ducking bullets and firepower. A soup line is ALMOST like home. History cleverly ignores that he was warned of a potential Japanese surrender, but hey…
        He often proves the old adage that good intentions are often not the same as good results. Seizing Japanese/American citizens, so they can cool out in swell internment camps for a few years, just doesn’t leave me with the warm and fuzzy. I never bought into the propaganda tune of the New Deal deal either, because it just remained a no deal, deal for nearly everyone but the wealthy Daddy Warbucks types.
        Lyndon Johnson goes gusto for the “Great Society” by tearing down inner city housing and building parking lots for his skyscraper buddies. The old dog-ear stretcher approves of building high-rise slums for those who don’t have the right credentials to be housed in proper housing. You know, like building contractors and development bankers. The list goes on, but I digress…

        • Well, regarding foreign policy his intention to dismantle the British empire after WW2 was probably his biggest betrayal of his elitist pedigree . I’ve heard from Webster Tarpley and Stan Monteith state that Stalin told FDR’s son Elliot after his father’s death that FDR was assassinated by “the Churchill gang” with poison for this.

          • Maybe this was his attempt to atone for pearl harbor and involving the USA in WW2?

          • Many leaders become dead experts due to the requirements of a developing situation. Definition of an “expert” A person who is no longer pertinent. Once the juice is squeezed from the lemon, what’s to be done with it?

            This gentleman attempted to stem the tide, but the lemon hadn’t been completely squeezed out as yet.

            Stanley Monteith does his best, but keeps insisting that “evil” is a force, rather than defining evil as a result of history. Good and evil are not mystical forces, thay are a simply a way of confirming our lab notes after the experiment.

  60. dumblinsmick First and Foremost – Delano does not go back to any Roman Family… it goes straight back to the venetian jewish Delbanco family… Abraham Delbanco to be exact… where do you get your info from? I like how you refuse to debate each point when it gets down to facts, you just go into another propaganda avalanche of totally unsourced misinfo, ever notice that I don’t use internet links as sources? I use actual existing records, original sources? things on the internet don’t really exist you know…

    Jewish Family names and their origins an etymological dictionary by Heinrich W Guggenheimer

    page 187 Delano… which is also documented as drawing its roots from the Venetian jewish Delbanco…

    Guess what the majprity of Americans called Roosevelts pograms in the 30’s? THE JEW DEAL

    I also like how you guys use the well documented BONUS ARMY as evidence of some Nazi plot, that’s most ridiculous…

    if there was a plot it most certainly emanated from the same jewish forces that Norman Dodd exposed as having a deliberate policy of merging the US with the Soviet Union when he did his investigations on tax exempt foundations for the Reece Committee

  61. according to dumblinsmick
    1. Hitler personally slaughtered 30 million Germans
    2. Hitler was financed by walstreet although he STILL has NO evidence for this
    3. jewish Jacob Schiff DID NOT give the Bolsheviks 20 million because Anthony Sutton didn’t put that in his ridiculous propaganda book so it must not have happened right?
    4. the jewish companies in the US proven by Henry Ford to be jewish companies with German names were not jewish companies after all, mick says so… I think Ill go with Henry Ford though
    5. jewish politicians in Weimar Germany borrowed Germany into debt like we see happening here in America – guess we agree on that
    7. jewish companies in Germany in the 20s funded Hitler although Henry Ford has already disproven that, Mick knows this, that’s why he didn’t even list their names, he thinks just repeating a fairytale is enough…

    I cant read anymore of your post, there is not any evidence to anything in it, just because the same bankers own many things therefore bla bla… Its like this, because the united state government builds all of its military installations in Iraq through Bin Laden construction therefore America is really the Taliban… Does that hold any water? By the way, not only did NO FRANKENBERGER pay for Alois Hitler’s upbringing as also claimed by your source, no FRANKENBERGER EVER LIVED IN GRAZ, not only that, no jews ever lived in GRAZ from the middle ages to Alois Hitler’s birth… they were banned by Emperor Maximillian and the edict was not rescinded by the time Alois was born, there are meticulous records disproving everything you sourcelessly claim by

    Werner Masser Hitler Legends Myth and Reality

    Im not going to argue with somebody who thinks that the BONUS ARMY was a Nazi takeover…

  62. PM the constitution is a piece of free mason trash, ask Patrick Henry
    what we got from the constitution
    supreme court that rules everything as constitutional
    a central bank
    ATF and FBI
    gun control
    income tax enforced although never ratified by congress
    fraudulent national debt
    direct election of congress
    meaningless wars from the blueprint of empire – the constitution
    overbearing federal government
    it never ends…

    Why should we believe that Fritz didn’t write a book? cause he was in prison… think about it, as if he would have been stupid enough to even write any of that, besides, he would obviously have been prosecuted at Nuremberg if he had been anything like you are trying to claim he was, Julius Streiker simply published a great magazine exposing jews, he had no involvement with the government but he was still hung for no reason, Fritz would also have been had any of your propaganda been true

    • “PM the constitution is a piece of free mason trash, ask Patrick Henry
      what we got from the constitution
      supreme court that rules everything as constitutional
      a central bank
      ATF and FBI
      gun control
      income tax enforced although never ratified by congress
      fraudulent national debt
      direct election of congress
      meaningless wars from the blueprint of empire – the constitution
      overbearing federal government
      it never ends…”

      Not true at all. Either you are ignorant of the contents in the Unanimous Declaration and Preamble or you willfully ignore what is written therein.

      The only reason the plain intent of these documents has been mutilated is that the money power has commandeered the government that was instituted to administer the blessings of life, liberty and property belonging to the people.

      I can see that the world is fast approaching a cleansing by fire as Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and numerous others were, but not because there was a lack of integrity in the formation of well intentioned governments. It will be because stiff necked persons refuse to directly confront the roots of the evil tree that is the “love of money”.

      • P M read the US annotated, every court case involving someone with guns citing the 2nd amendment has ended with the judge saying he doesn’t see the relationship to the militia and that the citizen citing the 2nd amendment should go to prison, which they did, from 1834 until present the 2nd amendment has protected nobody… the declaration of independence is not reflected in the constitution which is only a 7 part document on how to run a federal government, hence Patrick Henry (the real hero of the revolution) George Mason, Richard Lee and others from demanding the bill of rights, you see Alexander Lavien aka Hamilton could not get his central bank without a central government… wake up man, the amendments 11 through 27 are the opposite of 1 through 10 and 11 through 27 represents the jewish communist manifesto… name the last time when the supreme court ruled anything unconstitutional?

  63. Anthony, I never actually read any of this article, and I still didn’t, but there are a lot of must have’s in it? I would like to point out that in Mein Kampf Living space only refers to the huge German territories under the control of foreign powers…not exterminating Russians and colonizing it… is that your position? Also, this hunger plan, if it existed there would most definitely be captured German documents that refer to it, you can direct me to those right? In original fraktur of course

    You are aware that of Paulus 200,000 captured men in Stalingrad 40,000 were Ukranian right? You are aware that there was a division of Ukranians in the Waffen SS, just because Germany couldn’t arm millions of them doesn’t mean that they were not collaborating together, I think you should listen to a Ukranian survivor who was taken back to Germany by the army that wouldn’t desert them

    you should also check out crimes against the Wehrmacht before running your anti german propaganda too far

    just when I though we could exchange ideas… how am I supposed to respect you when you say completely false things?

    I was going to ask you about some key issues, Im not one of those people who doesn’t understand the topic and makes assumptions – I’m a working man, I cant keep up with refuting all the nonsense people post, but I would like to get to the core issue someday, what do you think of the idea of abolishing interest altogether on private home loans, stopping all commercial and industrial interest payments from going to international corporations and having that money go back into the national economy? Wouldn’t that be the complete abolishment of interest servitude of the Nation to International Finance Capital?

  64. Anthony this is loading up pretty hard, field marshall Strobach is going all out to slow down the loading with nonsense.

    The subject of Hitler and his daughter Angela Merkel parallels to great extent the happenings of 911. This story as 911, is taking some time for the masses to catch up on as there is basically no discussion of these subjects in the main stream media, and for good reason. With the amount of available information now coming to light, it is difficult to see how anyone who possesses the power of reasoning cannot conclude that Hitler was a Rothschild and Angela Merkel is his daughter. Her political moves and the policies she stands behind have already gotten more people killed than the events of 911. It is a subject that will bring out the most feverish forms of contract posters on the internet. This information is becoming well known to the average German, who is not in much of a position do much about it. With Germans beginning to understand the rabbit hole is much deeper than they ever imagined and they are still paying reparations for a war started not only by Rothschild, but a war they are supposed to be riddled with guilt over. The story below was researched by an unknown author.

    See other discussions concerning this story line at Anthony Migchel’s real currencies where he experienced a withering onslaught from the goose steppers for suggesting that Hitler was indeed financed by the same dark crowd who financed Stalin.

    The story below was researched by an unknown author.

    Angela Merkel Hitler’s Daughter

    Angela Merkel was born in the D.D.R., the Communist portion of Germany in 1954. Her biography says she was born on July 17, 1954, and that she is the daughter of a Lutheran minister from an East German-controlled church. Recently however, Soviet KGB archive files reveal an entirely different story, Stasi GDR files indicate that she was born on April 20th, 1954, and details of her birth were included in the records of the German Dr. Karl Klauberg, who was one of the Nazi “death doctors” convicted by Soviet courts and imprisoned. when he later was recognized as a brilliant scientist, he was released after seven years and was recognized as the father of artificial insemination.

    The Soviets were even more intrigued when they discovered Dr. Klauberg had preserved frozen samples of the sperm of Adolf Hitler. The forces of darkness in high places decided to try to produce a child from Hitler’s sperm, obviously for occult and illuministic purposes. Dr. Klauberg then brought the youngest sister of Eva Braun (Hitler’s wife) whose name was dGretl, to Eastern Germany, and the result of the experiment produced not a biological son of Hitler, but rather a daughter. amazingly, Adolf Hitler was born on April 20th, 1889, and Angela Merkel was born on April 20th, 1954. (April 20th is 11 days before the witches high sabot of Beltaine) Angela becamed a custodian of the catholic church through its connections with East German Lutheran Church. Once a German Pope would take the Roman throne, Angel Merkel was to also take her biological father’s position as German Chancellor. On April 20th, 2005, the Nazi Joseph Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI, (16th), precisely on the 116th birthday of Adolf Hitler. Then on November 22nd, 2005, Hitler’s biological daughter, Angela Merkel was elected Chancellor of Germany. The day of that election, November 22nd, was the anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin’s Origin of the Species, which is an antichrist publication denying the Creator of the universe.

    If the Soviet record is true, (it is trust me, editor’s note) the evidence is strong, it opens up some amazing possibilities. The undeniable daft is that Angel Merkel came from obscurity to triumviral power as German Chancellor, President of the dEuropean Union, and head of the powerful G-8 economic cartel. When I began to do research on this, I discovered that Hitler’s father, who took the name of Hitler, was the illegitimate son of a Rothschild mistress whose last name was Schicklgruber. The etmology of the name Hitler reveals that the name means a shepard who lives in a hut. The name Adolf from Old German means noble wolf. Thus, his combined name indicates that he was the Shepherd Wolf, or false shepherd. Strangely enough, Pope Ratzinger, or Benedict XVI, also has the title of Shepherd of the church, and since he took office, the roman catholic church has had a German shepherd. Incidentally, that breed of dog resembles a wolf. We also know that Adolf Hitler nicknamed himself Herr Wolf. His East Prussian headquarters was called Wolfsschanze; his head quarters in France was called Wolfsschlucht, and his headquarters in the Ukraine was called werewolf. Will the powerful European Union become the new world order and the Fourth Reich? Only God knows.

    One more interesting point is that Chancellor Angela Merkel has an unusual obsession with the works of the occult composer Richard Wagner, who was a satanist. She made her obsession known in an interview with the newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung in July 2005. Wagner wrote the infamous composition called Parsifal, which is purely occult and demonic. Parsifal was a favorite of Adolf Hitler as well, and Hitler stated that the music of Wagner occupied his mind. Angel Merkel, like Adolf Hitler, is deeply fascinated with Wagner’s Ride of the Valkries. The valkries were minor female deities that would ride through every battle to gather the most valiant of the slain and carry them off to a place called Valhalla where they would wait to join the army of Odin in the last battle at the end of the world.Is this woman, Angel Merkel, being used of Satan to marshal the forces for the last battle called Armageddon? It is interesting to note that Chancellor Merkel has exactly the same eyes as Chancellor Hitler, and she bears a striking resemblance to him except for the little moustache, of course.

    Author unknown

  65. This “article” has more holes then Swiss cheese. Utter garbage.

    Those who attack Nationalism are the same as those who attack Christianity.

    Talmudic Jews


    Angela Merkel: Hitler’s Daughter, The Secret Stasi Files And Artificial Insemination

    The subject of Hitler and his daughter Angela Merkel parallels to great extent the happenings of 911. This story as 911, is taking some time for the masses to catch up on as there is basically no discussion of these subjects in the main stream media, and for good reason. With the amount of available information now coming to light, it is difficult to see how anyone who possesses the power of reasoning cannot conclude that Hitler was a Rothschild and Angela Merkel is his daughter. Her political moves and the policies she stands behind have already gotten more people killed than the events of 911. It is a subject that will bring out the most feverish forms of contract posters on the internet. This information is becoming well known to the average German, who is not in much of a position do much about it. With Germans beginning to understand the rabbit hole is much deeper than they ever imagined and they are still paying reparations for a war started not only by Rothschild, but a war they are supposed to be riddled with guilt over. The story below was researched by an unknown author.

    See other discussions concerning this story line at Anthony Migchel’s real currencies where he experienced a withering onslaught from the goose steppers for suggesting that Hitler was indeed financed by the same dark crowd who financed Stalin.

    The story below was researched by an unknown author.

    Angela Merkel Hitler’s Daughter

    Angela Merkel was born in the D.D.R., the Communist portion of Germany in 1954. Her biography says she was born on July 17, 1954, and that she is the daughter of a Lutheran minister from an East German-controlled church. Recently however, Soviet KGB archive files reveal an entirely different story, Stasi GDR files indicate that she was born on April 20th, 1954, and details of her birth were included in the records of the German Dr. Karl Klauberg, who was one of the Nazi “death doctors” convicted by Soviet courts and imprisoned. when he later was recognized as a brilliant scientist, he was released after seven years and was recognized as the father of artificial insemination.

    The Soviets were even more intrigued when they discovered Dr. Klauberg had preserved frozen samples of the sperm of Adolf Hitler. The forces of darkness in high places decided to try to produce a child from Hitler’s sperm, obviously for occult and illuministic purposes. Dr. Klauberg then brought the youngest sister of Eva Braun (Hitler’s wife) whose name was Gretl, to Eastern Germany, and the result of the experiment produced not a biological son of Hitler, but rather a daughter amazingly, Adolf Hitler was born on April 20th, 1889, and Angela Merkel was born on April 20th, 1954. (April 20th is 11 days before the witches high sabot of Beltaine) Angela becamed a custodian of the catholic church through its connections with East German Lutheran Church. Once a German Pope would take the Roman throne, Angela Merkel was to also take her biological father’s position as German Chancellor. On April 20th, 2005, the Nazi Joseph Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI, (16th), precisely on the 116th birthday of Adolf Hitler. Then on November 22nd, 2005, Hitler’s biological daughter, Angela Merkel was elected Chancellor of Germany. The day of that election, November 22nd, was the anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin’s Origin of the Species, which is an antichrist publication denying the Creator of the universe.

    If the Soviet record is true, (it is trust me, editor’s note) the evidence is strong, it opens up some amazing possibilities. The undeniable daft is that Angela Merkel came from obscurity to triumviral power as German Chancellor, President of the European Union, and head of the powerful G-8 economic cartel. When I began to do research on this, I discovered that Hitler’s father, who took the name of Hitler, was the illegitimate son of a Rothschild mistress whose last name was Schicklgruber. The etymology of the name Hitler reveals that the name means a shepard who lives in a hut. The name Adolf from Old German means noble wolf. Thus, his combined name indicates that he was the Shepherd Wolf, or false shepherd. Strangely enough, Pope Ratzinger, or Benedict XVI, also has the title of Shepherd of the church, and since he took office, the roman catholic church has had a German shepherd. Incidentally, that breed of dog resembles a wolf. We also know that Adolf Hitler nicknamed himself Herr Wolf. His East Prussian headquarters was called Wolfsschanze; his head quarters in France was called Wolfsschlucht, and his headquarters in the Ukraine was called werewolf. Will the powerful European Union become the new world order and the Fourth Reich? Only God knows.

    One more interesting point is that Chancellor Angela Merkel has an unusual obsession with the works of the occult composer Richard Wagner, who was a satanist. She made her obsession known in an interview with the newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung in July 2005. Wagner wrote the infamous composition called Parsifal, which is purely occult and demonic. Parsifal was a favorite of Adolf Hitler as well, and Hitler stated that the music of Wagner occupied his mind. Angela Merkel, like Adolf Hitler, is deeply fascinated with Wagner’s Ride of the Valkries. The valkries were minor female deities that would ride through every battle to gather the most valiant of the slain and carry them off to a place called Valhalla where they would wait to join the army of Odin in the last battle at the end of the world. Is this woman, Angela Merkel, being used of Satan to marshal the forces for the last battle called Armageddon? It is interesting to note that Chancellor Merkel has exactly the same eyes as Chancellor Hitler, and she bears a striking resemblance to him except for the little moustache, of course.

  67. Chris
    You seem utterly confused, most are not attacking nationalism here, simply pointing out that the Hitler/Rothschild type nationalism is something of marvel comics and fairy tales. It gets countries blown up and bankrupted.

    There seems to be a new phenomena consisting of accusing others of being Jewish when your intellect is too shallow to keep up with the dialogue.

    As far as attacking Christianity, what about when Christianity attacks others?

    I am going to try and help you out here, but that having been said, I can’t keep repeating myself, try and get things the first time around. Here is facto of mine that was graciously reposted by aangirfan.

  68. dmblinsmick this getting ridiculous to say the least, Angela Merkel was born 9 years after Adolf Hitler’s death? are you unable to read? I don’t understand? I have noticed that you refuse to debate, for instance, Rosenfeld – Roosevelt is directly descended from Abraham Delbanco, he has no relation to any Italian, Id like you to show how he is some Roman emperor as you describe… jewish people residing in Vemice, you want to address that Mick? there are about 20 major issues you sidestep along with your pal PM… this is unraveling extremely fast and pathetic, like, a polish jewish woman Angela Kasner…

    Angela Merkel was born Angela Dorothea Kasner in Hamburg on 17. July 1954, the daughter of Horst Kasner, a Lutheran pastor and his wife, Herlind Jentzsch with a Jewish heritage in Poland.

    I have continuously cornered you on several key issues and you always go immediately silent

    Professor and historian Werner Masser has already proven your ridiculous Frankenberger story to be a fraud. Historical documentation proves that NO frankenberger ever lived in Graz and also, neither did Maria Shicklgruber… Emperor Maximillian banned all jews and there are no records of any jews living in graz which is where the frankenberger supposedly lived… you have no source? mine is historian and professor werner masser – Hitler legend myths and reality – not to mention historical documents of which none support your theory

    • Meister Strobach: You commented: “dmblinsmick this getting ridiculous to say the least, Angela Merkel was born 9 years after Adolph Hitler’s death? are you unable to read?”

      I disagree with the artificial insemination theory, but there’s an easy explanation for this miracle birth: Adolph Hitler died and went to heaven. He then rose in the third year x 3 and came down to Earth to impregnate Angela’s (the angel’s) mother.

      Kind of a reversed Christ story theme, only Christ was converted from Judaism to Catholic prior to his birth. See? It’s all perfectly reasonable now…

      • Its abstract distraction… thanks for the compliments though paul, your a good guy, the only reason I understand national socialism and anti European working man history is because I am one, a working man, national socialism DOES NOT exist anymore, I don’t care who claims they are one, they are mostly just living in the past, todays ideology is either that of the destroyers, the I don’t care ers or the resistors, the re building of the working and farming class is our tremendous task, first, we must rebuild our people, the odds are against us, how can we re educate the poisoned youth to fall in love with themselves once again? to be ready to die for the belief in the nation? these things are our reality, we have a huge number of collectors of unearned income today, the poisoner’s of our youth, the stock exchange Bolsheviks and haters of the productive laborer and of course the enemy media and private corporation claiming to be the government… how do we combat this destruction of the western man? I have to admit that jb Campbell has the only real solutions, we must utterly destroy the engines of our destruction and all collaborators to the economic murder of the working class, we are dealing with people who believe only in violence, you cant ask them to stop, you cant take them to court and you cant vote them out

        “When all peaceful means are exhausted violent means are assured” John F Kennedy

      • I was interested in the continuing uncovering of our path, where have we been? where are we going? How we can alter our future… Im depressed at this comment section, I don’t even want to discuss anything, Im pretty sure dumblinsmick is not even a human but a robot, I ask him like 20 different things that I have clearly shown are not true and he refuses to debate anything, I see he doesn’t notice that he has been debunked and continues to repost proven lies, he is a robot not capable of intelligent discussion so whats the point?

  69. Hermann Rauschning (7 August 1887 – February 8, 1982) conversations with Hitler – proven to be a fraud. Guess who published it? the same guy who published “I paid Hitler” hmm I guess that vindicates Fritz Thysson now doesn’t it

  70. Chris isn’t confused Dumblinsmick, none of us can stomach your idiocy, I must admit that even reading your mind numbing pots depresses me greatly. I cant possibly understand how someone can be so deliberately ignorant, really… you have 0 sources to back you up yet you keep on rambling like the biggest windbag

  71. Anthony I apologize, sometimes it is too easy with these guys

    Field Marshall Strobach, I see ya, and thanks for the debate, you are a true national socialist. !

  72. Hitler’s War?: What the Historians Neglect to Mention. (Edit And by Anthony Migchels )

  73. Dublinsmick

    I’m not confused. I recognise a disingenuous liar when I see one.

    Probably working for the IDF.

    There is no “Hitler/Rothschild type nationalism”. The connection is all conjecture one your part. Outright lies to deceive and misguide by muddying the waters.

    Nationalism gets you “blown up and bankrupted” by whom?

    Just like the Golden Dawn in Greece right now on the orders of Jew Ralph Lauder. Or Gaddafi, the Afrikaans Boers, Rhodesia etc.

    Blown up and bankrupted by Jews and their Talmud.

    Accused of being intellectually shallow by a lying fraud says it all.

    EVERY atrocity committed under a Christian banner has been by a f’king marano. A cryto Jew pig.


    You mean Nectario Juan Colon. That bastard pig was a Jew.

    How about the head of the Inquisition, Tomás de Torquemada? Lo and behold a crypto pig Jew.

    How about the Armenian Christians

    We could be here all day……

    The Apostle John said there were many anti Christs even before the birth of Christ.
    The Apostle Paul said the Jew was contrary to all man and Christ said the Jew was of his father the devil.

    Stick to what you are good at. Nothing.

    You are not trying to help me. You’re trying to deceive people with your lies.

  74. Anthony what do you think of the idea of abolishing interest altogether on private home loans, stopping all commercial and industrial interest payments from going to international corporations and having that money go back into the national economy? Wouldn’t that be the complete abolishment of interest servitude of the Nation to International Finance Capital?

  75. REN permalink


    “The problem of money and tyranny is NOT going to be solved by having the State take control.”

    I hope you see that a Monetary Authority that creates fiat money, and then issues it into families, which then flows into private banking is not really a top down control mechanism. In other words, money is nationalized -not the system. The money “unit” can then be volume controlled based on rational rules and law. These rules and laws are very transparent to the intended target, the people, for whom the money is first spent as seigniorage.

    This would be the opposite of centralized control, yet it is a quasi-state organ (fourth branch of government), that exists to serve the people. We need a police force of sheep dogs, who understand law, rents, and history. Otherwise, our human defect; our pride defect in particular, will continue to allow our worst predator humans to abuse the sheeple. Even a non-money economy has rents, and the strong pride defectives will abuse the weak.

    God did not intend his sheeple creatures to be saddled, ridden, or enslaved by usurious capital and rent seeking predators.

    • It depends on if the government of the nation serves the people of the nation or the jewish banks doesn’t it? almost everything is the opposite of what it claims to be or what it claims to be depending on what the jews want it to be… nationalizing can be good or bad, removing jews can only be good, than nationalizing can be good…

      • REN permalink

        If you nationalize the money, i.e spend it into circulation at the base of the population, then Jews have no money creation power. Bankers are simply accountants who work for a fee, who then makes real money loans between creditors and debtors. Creditors and Debtors are us, who loan out our exchange media to each other. Money becomes a cover for Labor, not a cover for debt. It’s nature completely changes, and hence the outcome completely changes.

        However, Jewish in-group behaviors will still enable them to take rents in other sphere’s of the economy. An example would be Russia, where Jewish money powers convinced Yeltsin to privatize the commons. This turned Russia into a mineral’s extraction economy, which later led to the Ruble Collapse, and then finally Putin stepped in. Putin then jailed the Jewish Oligarchs who had bought up Russia with borrowed dollar credit money from “wall street.”

        The Monetary Authority, who issues money by law, also should have a police force of trained sheepdogs that hunt for rent seeking wolves.

        By, the way, it is not just Jewish wolves who exhibit this in group predatory behavior. It is also Mormons, Masons, Illuminists, etc. groups that claim to be special and apart. Jew’s are just the best at it, and have honed the art through generations. The pride defect is a mankind thing, not just a Jewish problem.

        However, taking away money creation power, and its associated usury, causes the tap root that funds this evil to dry up. No rents via usury, no funding of activities, and the weeds start to wither.

        • I would mostly agree with you, except that jews are the originators of the disease which has overtaken humanity

          • REN permalink

            No, the disease began in Babylon, or at least as far as I can trace it. The priesthood ended up learning all about money over the centuries. The knowledge then jumped to various entrepot cities ringing the Mediterranean. The money exchanges and counting houses all spoke Aramaic.

            Israel itself was split between those followers of Babylon, and those who rejected the “hidden mechanism.” The bible has many injunctions against usury and suggests forgiving of debts, thus it was against the Babylonian mechanisms.

            Briefly, the mechanism is always a mismatch of types. It also always pretends equality of “assets” in exchanges, and the other trick is pretending the future can pay back for today.

            Let’s use Greece as an example. The clay ledger would be impressed with a stylus, and silver debts would be recorded. Some silver money would emit from the “banker.” These silver coins would then go overseas to by luxury goods. In the meantime the abstract ledger would grow with usury. Only the mismatch of types, i.e. silver would not be in the supply to pay off the ledger. Soon, the debtor would be a slave working in the silver mines. The mismatch of types is abstract numbers on a ledger, requesting silver that is not in the supply.

            Silver debts were international, and hence outside of Greek law, or even Judaic law. They could not be jubileed. Jesus was killed for thirty pieces of silver, which represented something in the minds of the people. Much like term fascism loads your mind with improper thoughts, silver meant something to the people of the era different than today. Silver was a generational debt, transferable to a family member.

            Jesus said he didn’t recognize the God of the pharisees, who were actually under Babylonian thrall.

            Pharisees then went on to write the Babylonian Talmud. It is easy to pervert a priesthood – just sidle up to them and offer a loan, and convince them what “good” they will be doing for their people. This same scenario even unfolded in the Catholic church, via the indulgences, which is what pissed of Luther so much.

            It all comes down to the money power, and understanding money. Too bad Hitler didn’t get it, nor did our founders.

            Many of the Jewish community are innocents, but they believe their wolves in sheep clothing are actually good sheep shepherds. Fascism is almost identical, it leads the sheep and says “I’m the good shepherd.” But, we know without any doubt, when power is hidden and there are no checks and balances, then bad outcomes are a foregone conclusion.

  76. Chris check some of this shit out

    All of us have to begin to think in new ways

    usury has no place in this issue that needs drastic attention, its just a headline grabber for people playing around at being important. this whole mindset prevalent over here is disproved and made to look ridiculous by the many intellectual ideas of national socialism but almost nobody knows anything about this ideological weltanschauung, its not a simple theoretical debate on a single subject, its a whole way of life and view of whats important in the world, either you feel it everyday no matter what you are doing or you don’t, many people believe in it but they have no idea that they do, they just know they have an empty disgusted feeling about life…

    you see the people lying about truth in our past are simply relying on the fact that almost nobody possesses the actual national socialist library in original german fraktur. Several people from the parties early founding documented meticulously exactly how Germany produced a great economic miracle. Anthony only relies on this information not being widely distributed. Than, somebody like Anthony comes along and tries to shift the focus away from the point and onto a minute detail, like, did the German banks charge interest? The focusing of the entire discussion on something so trivial is ridiculous, Here is the thrust of this article

    The germans didn’t produce economic prosperity because they didn’t end usury – charging interest
    the germans were evil people who killed everyone blah blah
    hitler was a rot schild or a jew although professor and historian werner masser has proven that claim devoid of any historical evidence in HITLER legend myth and reality

    I asked Anthony this key question several times now but he will not respond as it will be his undoing

    Anthony what do you think of the idea of abolishing interest altogether on private home loans, stopping all commercial and industrial interest payments from going to international corporations and having that money go back into the national economy? Wouldn’t that be the complete abolishment of interest servitude of the Nation to International Finance Capital?

    Anthony knows full well that the germans did exactly this, however he has skillfully pretended that this word usury is somehow the topic, an english word that really has no place in this discussion. Usury refers to the charging of interest, The breaking of interest servitude refers to the transfer of the wealth of the working class to institutions outside of the nation. The real debate here is what people think the focus of discussion should be, if you think a foreign owned bank concocting a fraudulent national debt through political corruption and than charging interest on the fraudulent debt while that institution has put up no capital or risk at all is important, than you are on the right track. if you fall to the propaganda that the nation concept is evil because the most famous nationalists of all nsDAP continued to charge interest on commercial and industrial loans (which is quite miniscule in importance) than Anthony and others like him has won. We must see through the propaganda and realize the charging of interest and the breaking of interests servitude of the Nation to International finance capital are 2 completely different things, just as national socialism and social communism are polar opposites. These people seek to confuse, for instance national socialism is class co operation and national economy right, meanwhile soviet socialism is the opposite class warfare and international economy. Also, national socialism free’s the working man and the farmer from the eternal ball of lead – the interest servitude. Communism enslaves you to the international controllers. Using complete propaganda and focusing on minute details he thinks people are ignorant of, he thinks he can make this bogus claim and get away with it without anyone noticing… Not all Volksgenossen have forgotten where they came from have they Anthony?

    • REN permalink

      Mike, I’ll answer your question for Anthony, if you don’t mind:

      Yes, if you let interest cycle back into the economy, it is non usurious. But, that is not how it works out in practice. Usury money has no debt associations, so it stagnates. It therefore has no velocity, and then distorts the money supply. Private creditors who collect usury can then move the money supply toward them, and cause prices to deflate. This is operative today, as the upper financial loop has stagnant usury capital and is out waiting labor, trying to grab real assets for cheap.

      If you have a fascist system then you can direct economic activity, and force the usury down into labor. Note, that I said state power redirects the usury down into labor. China essentially does this today with their state banks. They give out loans, hence directing the path and energy of labor, and then forgive the loans, thus turning the credit into money. This money then matches a growing economy, so it does not impact prices through inflation. Since a large component of their supply is non usurious money, the Chinese economy becomes efficient, thus perpetuating wage arbitrage.

      What Anthony is actually saying , or what I think he is saying, is that centralized power is not always benign. Having money power and political power in one place can easily tip over into evil. In fact, it is almost guaranteed, because the nature of man is dual, he has both his animal side and his angel side at war within. The pride defect of man, having money power, and doing things in private – virtually guarantee evil outcomes. The statement can also be directed at Jewish money power supremacy- doing things in private, using in group behavior, using religion and holocaust as a deflector shield, and taking rents against the sheeple in order to gain more money power to keep the cycle going forever.

      There is no doubt that State power can redirect the usury back into the economy such that it can be beneficial. But, the better question is are there other systems that comprehend the money power and man’s nature? Do these other system have to be fascist?

      The answer is, Yes, we don’t need fascism to have a non usurious economy. Fascism has a fatal flaw, and that is assuming man’s angelic side will take over the reigns of power. Hitler didn’t spend his life trying to understand money, so he can be forgiven for not comprehending the hidden mechanisms. Even today, there are only a handful of people who actually comprehend money systems, and Anthony has been working on it harder than most.

      What we really need to do, is learn from history, and move forward. Fascism is not the answer, and private money power is also not the answer. Both have seeds of destruction at their core.

      • Wouldn’t you agree that the nation concept and national cohesion are exactly what we need? I have never had any interest in fascism, German peoples fighting on the eastern front, or anywhere, were not fighting for facism, this article is still mostly all untrue and propaganda…

        • REN permalink

          Yes, a nation has a common culture and language, otherwise it is not a nation. I’m suggesting that with the proper system, a nation can be forged. The race of the people does not matter, they can come together in a common way. Jewish in-group behavior can be stomped out by fixing the money power, the source of their rent taking.

          However, the U.S. is no longer a Federal Republic. The head has been parasitiized by money power. A good parasite can direct the organism to feed and also direct its behavior. We don’t have a government of the people. Hitler’s fascism was directed at his people, and showered benefits, especially after the predatory Versaille treaty caused hyperinflation. A shocked and demoralized people needed a savior.

          Since we’ve been parasitized, questions on the money power are usually shunted into the memory whole, especially by our paid for presstitute media. Guess who pays off the media? Yes, it is usury funneled via banker profits.

          A fascist answer to the U.S. problem would be diversion down History’s cul de sac. Sadly, another few hundred years may go by before man figures out it was a mistake.

          • That’s absolutely incorrect, Im used to such “truthers” attempting to equate German Nationalism with fascism, there was nothing even related to fascism going on in Germany, all the BS anti German propaganda on this article and website is ridiculous and completely without evidence, just here say

          • REN permalink

            By definition, Fascism is control of industry and the money power. Industry is directed by national imperative rather than market forces.

            Words can have meanings, and when they are received, they can have “loaded” connotations in the receivers brain. Fascism can be benign if it is directed by Angels. Fascism had positive connotations in the minds of Mussolini’s followers. Indeed, there was a time when it was positive.

            I’m suggesting that man is not an angel, and this system has a “root defect.” Look at how quickly China revved up its people into a fury when the EC-130 went down in China (during Bush Jr.’s administration).

            I’m also suggesting that we don’t have real market forces at work in the U.S. Our markets are distorted and adjusted for private gain, and that usury gain then pipelines into the Government to sway its behavior. You can even see the influence money as most of it comes from one zip code – The upper east side wall street district.

            The third way, a non usurious economy, with forces in balance is a superior alternative. We need to finish the work of the founders. Even in the founders day, the money powers were in full attack mode.

            If we go down the path of fascism, the cure could be worse than the disease. Slavery to a big brother corrupted fascist top down power? Or, Slavery to a sneaky corporate rent taking Oligarchy, who controls government via parasitism? I reject both choices.

            These two choices, or even Communism as a choice, are all false dialectics. As usual, what really matters is hidden from view.

          • Fascism has nothing to do with nationalism and the concept of the national community, nsDAP could have been pink elephant worshippers if they wanted too, its irrelevant, you cant just place a modern label onto a historical element, it doesn’t work that way, all of you people are the same, manipulating inconsequential labels to drive people away from the solution, which is volksgemeinshaft vor eigennutz

          • REN permalink

            So, religion, the press, industry, and the money power weren’t consolidated under Nazi national socialism? Ok, maybe the money power wasn’t completely consolidated. But, this consolidation is the definition of Fascism.

            A better way is a national structure where there is balance of forces i.e. a free press, government divided along natural boundaries, markets that work because money works, an economy free of rents, so we don’t need much in the way of government oversight. This type of world could be characterized as an egg, with a hard national shell and a gooey inside of relative freedom. About 40% of our economy is usury and rents, returning even a portion of that could allow women to stay at home, and many social ills go away.

            About 1% of the population are psychopaths. They are drawn to the reproductive and intelligence (brain) of social structures. Wall Street has a large percentage of psychopaths as they are drawn there like flies to a turd.

            If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. We can call it national socialism, but that doesn’t change things. HItler’s national socialism was fascist.

            So, lets create a governing structure that attracts psychos, and once they take the reigns of power, they lock down humanity? Fascism can work for awhile, but the seeds of it destruction are embedded in its structure.

            Nationalism and national community are something I advocate, but I want people to be free, not locked down by a construct designed to “control.” There needs to be degrees of freedom, and advocating a fascist structure to counter our current defective money power is a mistake.

            Allow sovereign money, keep the money types bounded, keep trade balanced, don’t let debts point outside of the legal system. True Federalism is friendly to national “families.” A world of fascist nationalist socialists would soon be at war with each other. Don’t over-react to the world as it is – there are better paths out of the forest than national socialism.

            It is usury capitalism that wants to spread and take rents; this form of economy and money has undermined Nationalism and Federalism.

  77. REN permalink

    Zarlinga, in his Opus, “The lost Science of Money.” Mentions H.S. Chamberlain, an Englishman who incredibly manages to become German, and who has an uncle- Neville, later to become Prime Minister of England. H.S. wrote “Foundations of the 19’th Century” a book that made him a trusted confidant in Kaiser Wilhelm’s court.

    The period prior to WW 2, German and other Biblical Scholars had been examining Judaism, Christianity, and the Bible on a historical basis. “They had worked out a fairly good idea of the Old Testament’s various authors in terms of their periods and their political motives. The Bible was being critically analyzed as a historical document rather than as the word of God. This developing knowledge had important negative implications for Judaism and for Christianity as well, especially those sects that had deified the Bible as the absolute word of God.”

    H.S. Chamberlain oversimplified and distorted these views in his Foundations Book, and redirected them as a racial attack on the Jews. This attack was not on culture, not on deeds or activities. Chamberlain incredibly wrote, “There are no good and bad men…on the other hand there are certainly good and bad races.” H.S. attacked Luther, attacked Catholicism, yet he praised Calvin. We know Calvin was a money power agent. Chamberlain also supported William III of Orange; the Orange kings were funded money agents out of Holland.

    Chamberlain’s friends were connected to monetary trouble making, and of course there is the strong connection to England. “His emotional, racial attack against Judaism was very harmful for Germany, and that may have not been an accident.”

    H.S. and his twisted logic, helped form the cultural milieu that befell Germany during this period. H.S. and his book, appears to have been a money agent attack, an attack that shifts blame away from England.

    • Hello REN and Mike Strobach: It would seem there is some (modest) consensuses obtained in your last few exchanges. Unfortunately, Anthony’s page has become so loaded; most potential contributors are more than likely blowing it off due to this issue. I’m posting from the former United States > so don’t know if this is a server issue.

      I’m primarily a poet, thinker/philosopher and self-taught electronics engineer – now disabled from electromagnetic radiation poisoning. That is, I can no longer go out in public places without going into seizures from cell phone radiation and wi-fi mesh networks. It seems ironic (at best) that mankind is now at the pinnacle of his ability to communicate diverse ideas and information, yet is also faced with destruction of his entire ecosystem from EM radiation. Yes, it is so…

      I came upon a film presentation by historian/author Webster Tarpley last night, and find his condensation of history a welcome relief from nano-analysis of the minut. I’m sure some readers would throw Tarpley under their school bus, as I noticed some of his other offerings contained flaws and omissions. Never the less, this does not negate the value of this particular video, and I think it may pin the tail on the many historical factors which led to our current economic dilemma. Please enjoy, or not… Peace.

      Webster Tarpley on Venice, the mediaeval Venetian Conspiracy

  78. Ren I forgot to address a key issue with you

    Mike, I’ll answer your question for Anthony, if you don’t mind:

    Yes, if you let interest cycle back into the economy, it is non usurious.

    that’s from your comment to me remember? Well, Ill tell you what, that’s exactly what Germany did and I have the publications by the nsDAP that clearly state this, so, I am glad we both agree that Anthony is 100% WRONG, now what about the rest of his anti nationalist ideology, he has yet to reveal any source for his outrageous claims of EVIL GERMAN NAZIS… this whole topic has been one piece of propaganda…

    • REN permalink

      Anthony clearly states that the interest cycles back into usury private bankers. HItler’s national socialism did not have full fascist control of the money power.

      If you cycle the usury back into labor, then it is non usurious. If it is taken from labor’s output, and vectored into banks, that is form of rent taking similar to usury. The energy and output of labor should be able to keep their gains.

      I will continue to maintain that fascism will work for awhile, then tip over into something evil – all the forces are unbalanced and concentrated.

      • So the position of this article is that interest charges in Nationalist Germany cycled into private hands? I find that hard to believe, anyone care to reveal a source for that? I have read several accounts from several key members of the nsDAP that emphatically refute what you are saying, the best part is I have the nationalsozialistische bibliothek to prove it… You guys have nothing but this article which when you think about it, doesn’t actually exist, nothing on the internet actually exists… youll be seeing an English translation in the near future, we can continue this ridiculous argument than…

        What about the rest of the claims made in this article, that Hitler’s main goal in life was to exterminate Russians and than colonize Russia, that is the position of this article, anyone here read Franz Siedler – Crimes against the Wehrmacht? or Joachim Hoffman Stalins vernichtungskrieg – war of annihilation? seems to be a one sided article, I recommend Richard Blanke’s Orphans of Versailles, I think after reading any ACTUAL historical document, it becomes apparent that this whole article is untrustworthy… What ethnicity is Migchels anyway? Strobach I can tell you is Proud Schlesien Preussen, I find it extremely strange that Anthony, living a few miles from Germany has the poorest German, and I mean POOR, yet a guy from Wisconsin can still read fraktur? something isn’t right here…

        • REN permalink

          Hitler was freaking out about the “Eastern” threat. He saw first hand what the Jew’s did when they tried to take over Bavaria. He watched the mostly Jewish Bolshevik takeover of Russia. He appealed to the West to sign on to the anti-comintern pact.

          Remember always, it is a desire to rent seek, and use the money mechanism, that funds “overlord” and Oligarchy classes. Because Jews are “international” they often subordinate the national so they can rent seek. They also work together as an in-group and hence hide the money mechanism. The Bolsheviks were funded somehow – trace the money and the mechanism. Guess what, you will find money and banking overlords.

          For centuries, the East/West gold silver exchange rate dichotomy fueled rent seeking, and it was totally hidden. I’m sure you guys know nothing about it, yet gold silver exchange caused much death and destruction for Germany. An example of the hidden secret: when the Romans invaded Israel, the massacres only happened in one of the east west “trade route” cities, not Jerusalem. The true source of power was the money center, not Jerusalem.

          When the press is controlled by Socialism/Fascism, how is it that we human’s are going to know the truth about things? I don’t know how to put it more precisely, it is the MONEY stupid, not national structures. National Structures should exist to control the money and rents seeking, and especially they should not have enslavement bombs built in.

          The east west mechanism fell to the Jews, the Portuguese, and Venetians; all of them did their best to hide it, and take rents from society.

          In China’s national social system, which is quasi fascist, the internet is already controlled.

          • excuse me but you are a disninfo agent, its clear how you just happened to come into the convo and you do not answer the real questions

            1 source showing that interest in NATIONALIST Germany cycled into private hands?
            2. source showing how Germans adopted fascism
            3. an explanation as to how you refuse to debate the loss of german territories in 1919 Westen Preussen, Ober Schlesien, Pommern and Posen which are the Lebensraum Hitler referred to in Mein Kampf – not the fantasy of exterminating Russians and colonizing Russia…
            4. an explanation of how according to you its not jews its some mystery people – explain this than


            Ill debate you if you quit acting like a robot silently not debating all the key issues here sound like a deal?

    • Mike, maybe you can respond to a question that I asked earlier. How much interest free money was actually created and lent by the nsDAP?

      Were 0% loans/mortgages actually issued; if so, can you provide the magnitude?

      I can find where lots of 5% bonds were issued but so far, I can’t find any 0% loans. Can you help?

      • yeah I can, give one second and Ill give you some figures, have to look it up, from a physical piece of evidence, not just here say…

        • Poignant quotes about WW2 from Statesmen

          CHARLES LINDBERGH (Heroic Aviator)
          “The leaders of the British and Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war.”

          NEVILLE HENDERSON (British Ambassador to Germany)
          “The hostile attitude in Great Britain was the work of Jews and enemies of the Nazis.”

          NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN (UK Prime Minister) told to JOSEPH KENNEDY (Family Patriarch)
          “Chamberlain (speaking off the record to Kennedy while playing golf) stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war”. (The Forrestal Diaries ed. Millis, Cassell 1952 p129).

          JOSEPH KENNEDY (Family Patriarch & US Ambassdor to the UK)
          “As Ambassador to England, Joe would later make clear that he thought the Jews had `brought on themselves’ whatever Hitler did to them. During a 1938 meeting at the German Embassy in London, Kennedy assured the German ambassador that America only wanted friendly relations with Hitler.
          Joe said that Hitler’s government had done `great things’ for the country, and that the Germans were `satisfied’ and enjoyed `good living conditions.’ Joe told the ambassador that a recent report which said the limited food in Germany was being reserved for the army could not be true. After all, Joe said, the professor who had made the report `was a Jew.’
          Excerpt from “The Sins of the Father”

          LORD BEAVERBROOK (Owner of UK’s biggest newspaper)
          “There are 20,000 German Jews in England – in the professions, pursuing research. They all work against an accommodation with Germany.”
          In a subsequent letter, Beaverbrook adds:
          “The Jews have got a big position in the press here. . At last I am shaken. The Jews may drive us into war.”

          “It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted the war in 1939.
          It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or worked for Jewish interests.”
          – Adolf Hitler, April 29, 1945

          “We Jews Are Going to Bring a War On Germany.”
          – David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quote “I Testify Against The Jews” by Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 “The Jewish War of Survival” by Arnold Leese, pg 52

          “Judea Declares War On Germany! Jews of all the World Unite!”
          – London Daily Express Headline, March 24, 1933

    • Mike wrote: “Yes, if you let interest cycle back into the economy, it is non usurious.”

      Interest = Usury

      The collection of interest creates mathematical problems as it will ALWAYS compound in the dynamic economy. You can hope that the collectors of interest will be benevolent and return all to the economy but that does not solve the problems associated with compounding (exponential growth).

      For a more detailed explanation see – How do you repay 11 tokens when only 10 are created?

      Gottfried Feder understood this and for what ever reasons, it doesn’t seem that this axiom was embraced by the nsDAP in earnest.

      • Larry, its a complex issue and is not simply answered by a yes or no, I have been translating Gottfried Feder’s first book but as a working man its gong to take me half a lifetime to translate the other 20 some books that he wrote on the subject, at least I possess physical copies of them though, along with several other figures that wrote somewhere around 100 books known as the national socialist library, until somebody combs these archives how in the hell are we going to know what the real story is? Ill tell you one thing, a guy like Anthony who says Hitler’s reference to recapturing the stolen lebensraum – german territory of OberSchlesien, Pommern, Westen Preussen und Posen – Anthony says this was a plan to exterminate Russians and colonize it. For real Anthony? in 1919 these 4 German territories along with the Sudetenland, the Saar and Danzig were removed from German Control and placed under hodtile foreign nations. Millions of Germans were treated in a most disgucting fashion. Europe’s first 6 concentration camps were built by the Polish to house German Civilians… Whe a guy like Anthony screws up deliberately the historical record in order to tell you how evil all Germans are, you know he has an agenda, he couldn’t possibly be that stupid to be unaware of this historical FACT. So, since his thesis is so clearly NOT BELIEVEABE, obviously the rest of his story is just more dis information, its clear he is counting on people not possessing original publications of the nsDAP and Im just going to leave it at that. Ill be posting the incontestable evidence when I get around to it, my contribution to the removal of International Finance Capital from destroying the working class with out using bullets as they ad to do in Russia…

  79. Ren, I didn’t even read the last comment where we kept replying to eachother, lets start fresh up here

    Fascism, not at all related to anything being done by German Nationalists, lets just throw out the modern made up word Nazi, which as far as I know is a description of AshkeNAZI khazar pedophile jews and has never been used by Germans to describe themselves ok? I didn’t read the comment but I got the jist of it, you were making an emotional appeal for people to HATE EVIL GERMANS correct? You know what, its always the same with you people, emotional appeals to complete bullshit… Feel free to give me a source that shows any German Nationalist ever referred to himself as a fascist, I’m not interested in your pro jewish anti German HATE PROPAGANDA, lets see some HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. If you have some sort of intelligible argument to put forward that is based in reality as to how an Italian system of government and economics was adopted by Germany, I would love to here it, until than jews and the state of Israel are genociding the Palestinians, that’s an actual historical event, you want to talk abut evil, start right there…

    • REN permalink


      An ad-hominem argument is when you attack the character of someone else. This then defines the argument. Usually when somebody issues an ad-hominem, they’ve already lost. Their arguments cannot stand on their own merit, so they devolve to ad-hominems or straw men.

      I’m not anti-german, or even anti-Nazi. I am anti concentrating power in the hands of a few. History repeatedly shows us that this is bad. In the Kings times, they would sometimes “breed” into the population. If a King or a Nobleman saw a girl he liked, well he could just have his way, and then the girl’s family would have to raise the bastard child. Today, we have a financial oligarchy arising, which is concentration in the hands of a few.

      In all of these control cases, it is the excess produce, or economic output, of society vectoring toward an overlord class. It is a giant shifting of wealth and output upward and away from the producers.

      Over the long term – civil structures need to be put in place that recognizes the rent seeking nature of man. German nationalism, for a brief period of time, nationalized much of society and directed its “excess produce” and showered much of it down into the producing classes.

      So, how is my statement anti “national socialism?” I recognize fully that this happened. I can also state that between 1932 and 1939 Germany went from being the poorest to the richest country in Europe. I have demonstrated here on this website how the triangular flow of debt caused the hyperinflation.

      In fact, I would like to talk to Anthony about MEFO bills and their behavior, but you “nationalist” guys keep polluting his website.

      You totally won’t admit that nearly all of the organs of Hitler’s state were organized under one controlling apparatus – which is Fascism by any definition. This is irrefutable to anybody that is an honest observer. If anybody glosses over this fact, or tries to ignore it, they are only lying to themselves. Letting go of a dishonest worldview is hard.

      It is also irrefutable that Hitler ran into the buzz saw with his “industry and private banks.” He did capitulate to the debt spreading usury of these bankers, only he allowed it to vector back to “his” bankers instead of the international. By getting rid of the international, he made German debt instruments point back inside of German legal system.

      I’m all for nationalism, but not of the fascist kind. I totally get that most of the people in the world are taking a screw job, and they want to grab onto some sort of savior or mechanism. Presto – Hitler’s social nationalism. But, that is a huge mistake, it ignores that man is a rent seeker, and soon the system will become a control mechanism for bad instead of good. With drones and data mining there will be no freedom, especially when the state has all the organs of power in a few hands.

      The bottom line is that it is double entry debt spreading that makes countries non-sovereign. The double entry ledger, by its nature, must spread its banking credit to far geographic regions. The money issued from that ledger, is a function entirely of that ledger, and should go back to home to that ledger and disappear – as all credit does. Reserve loops and other tricks are in play to link up the double entry ledgers, thus making loaned into existence bank money predominate. The debt created on that ledger also goes outside of its nation and legal system, and cannot be jubileed. Laws and reform of money can fix this “capital not in alignment with debt” problem; we don’t need fascism to do it. This is not an emotional appeal; it is a hard eyed view of history and man’s nature. In fact, appeals for Hitler type nationalism smacks of emotion – an emotion that wants to gloss over and ignore certain realities, as all emotion must. Pretending that Hitler’s National Socialism wasn’t fascist is prima facie evidence of emotion clouding judgment.

      Think of money as like water that we swim in. It gives us feedback and forms our worldview. You change the color of the water, and the worldview must shift. You are unable to see that worldview because of our current world propaganda, which lies about the true nature of money.

      All of the things that Hitler did with National Socialism are interesting, but there are other “better” ways to get the same results, and those ways don’t have a centralizing slavery mechanism built in.

      You should be thinking of the money itself and stop focusing on bogeymen like banker Jews – as despicable as they are. Take away the money power from hidden unaccountable hands, and much of the problems you guys agitate against, go away. It is usury capital that drives the world, and has for millennia – fix that, but not with fascism.

      The Fuggers were GERMAN moneylenders in the early 1500’s. These Augsberg Germans learned from the Italian’s, who in turn learned from the Templars, who in turn learned double entry debt spreading from their time in the Levant. Fugger became F*kker in our language – these German money lenders loaned to kings and queens and the church – the same as the Rothschilds. So, it is a human problem, and a hidden hand usury/debt/money/rents problem, not a Jew problem.

      • Its notan ad hominem attack – you are supporting the false idea that hitler wanted to exterminate Russians and colonize it when in fact lebensraum refers to the loss in 1919 of german territories ober schlesien – westen preussen – pommern and posen THATS LEBENSRAUM so quit lying ok? NOW DP YOU HAVE A SOURCE STATING THAT INTEREST IN GERMANY CYCLED BACK INTO PRIVATE HANDS? no need for a long mind numbing comment to try and sidetrack the issue here – just name your source or admit you have NONE

        mine is economic management in the 3rd reich and money and credit in our economy- Gottfried Feder whats yours?

  80. Larry, I can tell you that 0% interest loans were given for residential housing, Not only that, the principal debt was forgiven 25% per child born, so after 4 children born the entire loan was cancelled and no more payments were made. Can you imagine this? There was never a financial crisis in Hitler’s Germany. In order to stimulate the economy, it was necessary to have the nerve, as Hitler had, to invest money that the government did not really have, rather than wait with folded arms and an empty head for the economy to revive by itself.

    Before the end of 1933 even, Hitler had succeeded in building 202,119 housing units, In 4 years he would provide the German people with 1,458,128 new dwellings. All of this was made available by issuing loans to private sector housing at 0% interest. In 1933 alone 17,611 new farm houses were constructed each surrounded by a parcel of land 1,000 meters square. In 3 years Hitler wuld build 91,000 such farm house as part of elevating and reinvigorating the woeking nd farming class. Again, all of this would be provided as part of 0% interest loans as an effective means of rebuilding the economy and providing jobs at the same time.,

    There is a hell of a lot more than that which can be easily found in many books in German language but for English Speakers there are only 2 books I can think of that you will find this in

    How Hitler launched a social revolution – Leon Degrelle

    Hitler Democrat – Leon Degrelle

    You can buy Hitler Democrat here from Willis Carto who put the work into resurrecting book 2 HITLER DEMOCRAT of the 14 book Hitler Century series written by Leon Degrelle.

    The reason it had to be resurrected is because the jewish friendly Mark Weber sabotaged the publication of the 14 book Hitler Century. A tragic loss to history of the greatest historical figure of the 20th century…

    • Mike wrote: “Larry, I can tell you that 0% interest loans were given for residential housing, Not only that, the principal debt was forgiven 25% per child born, so after 4 children born the entire loan was cancelled and no more payments were made… There was never a financial crisis in Hitler’s Germany.

      “Before the end of 1933 even, Hitler had succeeded in building 202,119 housing units, In 4 years he would provide the German people with 1,458,128 new dwellings. All of this was made available by issuing loans to private sector housing at 0% interest. In 1933 alone 17,611 new farm houses were constructed each surrounded by a parcel of land 1,000 meters square. In 3 years Hitler wuld build 91,000 such farm house as part of elevating and reinvigorating the woeking nd farming class.

      “Again, all of this would be provided as part of 0% interest loans as an effective means of rebuilding the economy and providing jobs at the same time.,”

      Thanks Mike; this is news to me as I have read of nsDAP 0% mortgages but never saw any numbers quantifying the impact. I think that the population of Germany was between 60-80 million in 1939 which would translate to around 20 to 35 million households.

      If this is so, then bravo to the nsDAP as they used their sovereign credit to help build the wealth of the individual citizens. And in the process, they stimulated the economy. In the U.S. today, there is around $13 trillion in outstanding mortgage debt, not including interest. Imagine if we put 0% mortgages to work!

      In the U.S. housing market the people through the state; have accepted the bulk of the liability by guaranteeing mortgages (Fannie, Freddie, etc) but inexplicably, they accrue no benefit – see “97% of All U.S. Mortgages are Backed by the Government”

      If the people are ultimately going to back mortgages, why not allow the people to directly benefit through 0% mortgages?

      Obvious Benefits:

      Monthly payment on a traditional 30 year, 5%, 100-k mortgage would be around $537 (annual payment of $6,444) compared to $267 at 0% (annual payment of $3,200). That’s a payment savings of over 50%!

      Traditional Income Ratios require that in order to handle a $6,444 annual mortgage commitment, the borrower(s) need to have an income of around $24,000 (expense-to-income ratio .27) while the income requirement for the same 0% mortgage would only require an income of $11,800. Housing would be more affordable for the poor.

      Equity builds much faster with a 0% mortgage which increases the net worth of the borrower. For example, with a traditional 30 year, interest mortgage, at the halfway point (15 years) homeowners typically only hold 10% of the home equity (90% of payments to date have gone to interest). But a 0% mortgage earns the borrower 50% of the equity after 15 years – the net worth to the borrower is 40% higher; in our $100-k example, this is an increase of $40-k which may be leveraged in lieu of resorting to credit cards.

    • REN permalink

      Practically all economic textbooks have the English language editions heavily edited. It’s no secret that the English speaking world was invaded, and the usury mechanism has been in play to propagandize the people. For example, key phrases from Aristotle on the nature of money are edited from English translations.

      The center of the invasion now resides in London, and has since also jumped to Wall Street.

      Between 1938 and 1974 Canada disbursed free land to returning veterans. They build out the river ways and a built a national railroad. All of this was done debt free. They had free education and free medical. By 1974 the people had so much savings on hand they started self financing, and not going to banks. Their mortgage debt was practically non existent, and they held net assets as wealth. This is especially ironic since Canada is an ostensible British colony.

      HItler blah blah. Yes, he did a lot of good things, and it is instructive to learn from. There are many other examples in the world too. All of it and I mean all of it, boils down to the money – which in turn relates to how the economy is structured, which then only relates to the national structure.. Hitler also heavily screwed up, as there are not any checks and balances in a fascist social structure.

      Yes, a country has the right to issue national credit for the benefit of its people. We don’t need fascism/national socialism to know this.

  81. REN permalink

    EIN VOLK, EIN VELD, EIN HITLER. One people, one land, one Hitler. Or is it, Ein Volk, Ein Riech, Ein Hitler?

    How about Hail Ceasar! It Hitler’s time the girls would swoon and fall down – this is hero worship taken to the extreme.

    It’s a defect in mankind to want a savior, a king, a demigod to right all the wrongs. Anybody that goes down that path is engaging in defective thinking.

    The founding fathers wanted YOU to have sovereign power over your own life, and for YOU to be independent. The only way you can have this independence is if your output vectors back to you. In other words, if is it stolen with rents, you cannot have this freedom the true Federalism promises.

    National Socialism would have been recognized by the founders as STATISM. That is, the state is in charge, and the structure is little different than having a King or Queen. The founders goofed on the money question, but they tried their best. Federer got his ideas from the American Greenbackers. Hitlers MEFO bills were a direct result of Federer, and a form of debt free money.

    Look to America and Federalism as the superior solution – not Hitler. Yes, we are screwed up at the moment and not a good example, but you should be able to see through that. You should also see the defects in Ein Volk Ein Veld Ein Hitler

    Federalism with a mixed economy i.e. some socialism structures, is the better path. Once the money problem is fixed, then people can shed themselves of an overactive nanny state government. Power can be decentralized down low, where it can best make political decisions. Government should be of the people and by the people, not government of the demigod or king.

    We don’t need power centralized at the top, it would be a disaster over the long term. History is more than clear on this- and you National Socialist guys think you are historians? You are reading the wrong history books and coming to the wrong conclusions. So what – Hitler spent directly into the population by using National Credit ? Sovereign creditors like me know this mechanism, predate Hitler, and have long ago integrated it into our thinking.

    American Federalism has been invaded by rent seeking parasites, but that doesn’t mean we throw the baby out with the bathwater. We fix the parasite infestation, and National Socialism is not the cure. You don’t use a disease to fight another disease.

    • REN wrote: “The founding fathers wanted YOU to have sovereign power over your own life, and for YOU to be independent. The only way you can have this independence is if your output vectors back to you. In other words, if is it stolen with rents, you cannot have this freedom the true Federalism promises.”

      Aye… very well said. As it stands now, we rent our money system from banks that have none of their own – while we have the option to simply create it ourselves – for free.

      This is obvious and should be common logic but the monetary solution is seldom discussed because the media avoids it and the people seem to be totally in the dark on the subject. The vast majority have no idea where money currently comes from yet alone the different ways that it may be created.

      Mary Hobart explained the lack of public awareness in “A Scientific Exposure of the Errors in Our Monetary System… a new chapter in political economy”

      “The subject of money has for so many centuries been surrounded by complexities and superstitions, and shrouded in mystifications, purposely imposed upon the unthinking masses, that it would seem like egotism on the part of any ordinary mortal to attempt to clear the subject of its obscurities.

      “The confusion of thought which now exists in the public mind in regard to one of the most vital questions of the day is a lamentable fact, and is the effect of attempting to maintain the worn-out system of an ignorant past, couple with the methods of word tricksters and political demagogues.”

      It is no surprise that many will look to a savior; someone whom they “trust” to fix the ship of state and handle the details of such a course. The problem this approach is that it will assuredly centralize power – and reduce the power of the people.

      No doubt, we need bright and courageous leaders but it is up to the people to make damned sure that we pursue a political economy that is consistent with a republic. A republican government pushes all decisions possible to the people (and local government), away from centralization (all authority not expressly given to the federal government is held by the sates).

      Can the people figure out monetary governance and the political economy? Do they care?

    • so you can not offer any sources? I knew as much – its not about Hitler, its about what he did – he elevated the worker and the farmer to the masters f the state and their destiny, its about the national cohesion he created, he could have been a pink elephant as long as the national unity was created… that’s what you are trying to propagandize which is why you categorically refuse to debate me on the issues

      on a lighter note mr sourceless anti nationalist propagandist hero worship is exactly what we need – this isn’t the worship of any individual, it is the worship of selfless acts for the nation – the attributes of the hero that we should all espouse and emulate THANKS! Ive always been a worshiper of the heroic ideal just like all of my European ancestors and any true freedom lovers!

      perhaps you should research the immense importance of the heroic ideal in western civilization… that was such a shoot yourself in the foot kind of thing to say, you must not be white… the heroic ideal of the Spartans at Thermopylae or the waffen ss men of 30 nations its all the same – the backbone of European and western ideology

      what is your ethnicity anyway ren? only a moron would denigrate the heroic ideal…

      • REN permalink

        Huh? I can tell you know virtually nothing about monetary history, or the true underlying forces at play.

        Lycurgus created Peleanors and divorced his economy from what was going on in Greece at the time. Meanwhile, the Babylonian money masters had invaded Athens and the rest of the Med. The Aramaic speaking Babylonians, (Jews perhaps?), would sit in outdoor stalls and wait for people to take out silver loans.

        The money changer/banker would impress his stylus into a clay tablet, marking the silver loan. Men, who wanted to get their wives eastern luxury goods, would approach the banker. The silver loan would issue, and of course the banker did not have the amount of silver as represented by the numbers on the ledger.

        So, pay attention now, I’m speaking slowly so you can understand. The abstract ledger would grow out of proportion to the silver in the money supply. The money masters owned the silver mines of course, and could alter the supply at will. The abstract ledger would demand silver payments for silver debts, and the ledger would grow with usury.

        This is why Sparta fought, they were fighting against a usurious money mechanism. The entire region was silver money and “international” merchant trade, with the mismatch of money types and usury constantly putting people into slavery. If you couldn’t pay your debts, then you got to die in the silver mines.

        You want to beat the money masters at their own game, then you got to get smart. National socialism is the opposite of smart, it is totally stupid, and already history has rendered its verdict. Flush it down the crapper. Calling me names and impugning my race is no way to do it. I happen to be a giant Nordic white man of 6 ft 6 inches, and a High IQ. My hair is blonde, I have blue eyes, and a cephalic skull. I could probably also beat you ass with one hand. I’ve forgotten more about Jewery and their machinations than you will ever learn. Believe me when I tell you, anybody who studies monetary history has a very large Jew-Dar (Jewish Radar). I would love to go back in time and be Hitler’s advisor, and keep him from being such a dumb ass.

        So, cut out the insults, you don’t know who you are talking to. If you are getting your ass handed to you in debate, then shut your mouth and learn.

        • you don’t need to pretend you are smart, you have still failed to provide any sources that I have asked you for, your just some jew or jewish collaborating idiot that doesn’t know much, but knows enough not to use his real name… to me, anyone who cant provide one source after being continuously asked is an idiot and anyone refusing to put their real name behind their comments I an outright liar which you clearly are, why did these Frenchman say what they said about fighting for national socialism, explain to me why they would refuse to surrender and why they would say the things they said?

          keep lying, nobody is buying it

        • Jacob permalink

          Um, he asked for SOURCES! I am curious too.

    • great emotional appeal ren!

  82. Hitler used a Rothschild typewriter! LOL

  83. the constitution was written by free masonic jews, alexander lavien aka Hamilton was a jew from the jewish community of Nevis… The real americans who realized the constitution was a blueprint for empire demanded a bill of rights, this took 4 years and was a pathetic piece of propaganda – the articles of confederation are what we need not the constitution… Patrick Henry Richard Lee and George Mason fought the constitution tooth and nail. the declaration of independence is not realized by the constitution, the first 7 articles of the constitution are the opposite of the watered down bill of rights… amendments 11 through 27 are basically the communist manifesto incorporated into it – like the income tax – direct elections of senators etc… even the second amendment doesn’t guarantee private ownership of guns – it clearly states that you have the right to bear arms but subject to the well regulated militia – guess what – nobody is authorized to regulate the militia deliberately! go through the US annotated, every person on gun charges since 1848 who has cited the right to bear arms has been told by the judge “so you are basing ownership of this weapon on the 2nd amendment and that you are in the militia? I see no resemblance between this shotgun or ak 47 and the militia and you sir are going to prison!” what a joke!

    When was the last time the supreme court ruled something unconstitutional? EVERYTHING including the patriot acts and the NDAA are constitutional, because the constitution is the problem. It is the engine of our enslavement and powerlessness to the FEDERAL government that we do not need!

    what has the constitution given us
    supreme court that rules everything as constitutional
    a central bank
    ATF and FBI
    gun control
    income tax enforced although never ratified by congress
    fraudulent national debt
    direct election of congress
    meaningless wars from the blueprint of empire – the constitution
    overbearing federal government
    it never ends…

    the constitution needs to be done away with and the articles of confederation reinstated

    • REN permalink

      OK, so fix the problems with the constitution. But, your solution of National Socialism is beyond stupid. Anybody who has studied history, which you purport to do, knows that Statism of any sort does not work, it has the seeds of destruction built in.

      You would convince followers to follow your whacky ideas right off the cliff. In the meantime, there are much better ways.

      In fact, much what Federer did (Hitler followed) is right out of the playbook of American Social Creditors, and also the French Physiocrats.

      Yawn! Oh, but you don’t study these theories, and instead slavishly follow Hitler as if he is your demigod.

      • Im not even advocating national socialism, NATIONAL SOCIALISM DOESNT EXIST ANYMORE are you people just moronicaly hopeless or what? I am simply advocating honest portrayal of history – NONE OF YOU HAVE SOURCED ONE FUCKING WORD YOU HAVE POSTED INCLUDING THIS WHOLE PIECE OF SHIT ARTICLE

        I am advocating the resistance, this would be far worse than what you call national socialism, we are in so much more of a precarious situation that even more drastic measures are required, we know that when attempting to deal honestly with liars and propagandists we will be accused of huge lies and stories of atrocities… Im advocating extremeness right from the start, we don’t need to take any prisoners as we have no place to put them, any and all enemies of nationalism must be dealt with ruthlessly, WW2 taught us this, NO MORE attempts at magnanimousness as Hitler attempted, we are in a different situation, America runs on violence and was founded on violence, so what language do you think the mass murderers of 10s of millions of people understand? You can look up madeline Albright saying that 500,000 Iraqi children starved to death is totally acceptable blah blah the atf and fbi kill off people at Waco texas and ruby ridge – Gordon Kahl killed and Yorie von Kahl imprisoned for life just for being shot? Think about it genius, you assholes have produced an extremely ruthless monster of angry resistors, listen in on some Kai Murros interviews to understand the magnitude of what you have created with your continuous irritating jewish bullshit, its us or you and we are definitely not going to lose, we are the many


    the militia of the second amendment is what Washington used to kill tax protestors like the shames and whiskey rebellions… not good

    constitution is what gave us this piece of crap government that never could have been under the articles of confederation

  85. so what has been refused to be debated here at migchels propaganda central

    1 Rauschning conversations with hitler proven to be a fraud was published by the same idiot who published I paid hitler
    2 so we know friedrich thiessen had no connection to bush and supposed Nazi front companies
    3. Franklin Roosevelt is a direct descendant of jewish venetian Abraham delbanco
    4. migchels and his cronies can provide not one source for any of the bogus claims in this article
    5. Hitler produced 0 interest loans for residential housing construction on a massive scale
    6. the national socialist library that migchels counted on nobody actually possessing is alive and well and being translated
    7. nobody here has any sources for anything
    8. 40,000 Ukranians were among paulus’ 200,000 surviving captured
    9 operation Keelhaul delivered enemies of the jewish soviet into their power after may 8 1945 in the millions to be murdered as recorded by aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in gulag archipelago
    10. about 20 other important issues in just the last week but I get too irritated to focus any more than that – ANYBODY feel free to help spread the truth here and use sources as I always do – it makes these guys look retarded

  86. The main thing we learned here is that NATIONAL COHESION and a UNIFIED FRONT is what is under attack here, also to make fun of the heroic ideal… that tells us a lot so NATIONAL COHESION is the enemy of this website!

    • REN permalink

      What? You can have national cohesion with a National Federal System. All you need is social credit and allow the people to own their money power. Nationalism and Federalism are not mutually exclusive. You guys are confused.

      National Socialism is a top down structure that encourages thought crimes. It puts people into mental prisons, where they are afraid to speak out against the fuhrer, or whoever the glorious leader at the time is. I don’t want to live in a world where I have to self censor my thoughts because maybe the secret police may come and haul me away.

      You guys have seriously not thought through your positions. You are sophomoric at best.

      • Are you an idiot? I had distant family live under national socialism and they told me it was the greatest most glorius form of government that ever existed, why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and produce one person who lived under national socialism that agrees with your assessment? Even half jewish Heinz Weichardt author of under 2 flags never stopped being a believer in national socialism and the führer concept, thats also a very telling title führer, half the officer core were führers unterscharführer, obersturmbanführer etc… your just an idiot who can not validate anything you spew as its all mindless fucking propaganda, hows that stupid fucking moron I can only take so much of the same asshole bullshit. I have listened to 3 or 4 of you dumb motherfuckers say things that are the opposite of truth. There is a woman here where I live who was a school teacher Christine miller, she and every other german who lived under the 3rd reich looks back on that time as a paradise compared to the current jewish Weimar cultural and spiritually barren cesspit of pornography and moral decay that is our current society. You are just another propagandist piece of shit using jewish intellectual mind control bullshit on the poor bastards who actually believe your lies. As far as Im concerned, the concept of concentration camps for people like you and Anthony and all the collectors of unearned income was the greatest contribution to humanity anyone could ever have made. If some national revolution ever succeeds you will soon find yourself precisely where idiots ike you belong. You think I don’t see right through your pathetic attempts at mind fucking everybody reading this bullshit unsourced piece of shit article? Why don’t you post using your full name like I do, you cant stand behind the things you are posting? your just an anonymous fucking coward who shouldn’t be allowed to even have a voice. That’s what made national socialism so great, it got rid of the element of jewish filth that pours out of every word you post

        = )

        • REN permalink

          I have posted articles here with Anthony: Social Credit with Demurrage, and my full name is listed. Of course you wouldn’t know that because you only just started visiting this website. You also have not noticed that Anthony is one of the biggest Jew money lender hunters out there. Because you are confused and don’t know what you are talking about you keep assuming things.

          Look, I totally get that you want to live in white, high trust society. In this society jobs are plentiful, and there is no hidden hand stealing your labor output. I wouldn’t mind the same thing and consider it an ideal. I’m focusing my attention on the source, the wellspring…what REALLY matters. If you understood money, you would know that 40-50 percent of the economy is lost to usury and rents. When there is unemployment, the numbers are even higher. It doesn’t have to be that way, we can have full employment and a high trust society.

          I am a big time Jew hunting money master sheep dog, but you are just a little shit pussy puppy who is on the wrong trail. You think by barking up Adolf’s tree you have found something, but all you are doing is smelling skunk. My favorite job was when I was a bouncer so I could kick the shit out of little pussy boys like you. I’m a big ass smart Aryan, and that frightens the shit out of you. You are on the wrong trail boy. Maybe if I gave you a beat down, you might wake up from your fantasy world and do some real good.

          You want to mind fuck the money lenders, then you better get smart. They are playing three dimensional chess, while you are fantasizing about battle and some sort of mythical socialism that won’t come. You dumb asses along with Hitler killed many of our finest youth in the battlefields. How glorious was that – we lost. We keep losing …why don’t you get a clue, or are you too stupid.

          Triage is what is needed right now, and that is sovereign money. With this money type, the money lender is screwed totally. You want white nations, then they need their own money type. This money type needs to circulate totally within national boundaries. The debt also should be sovereign, and not leave the legal system. That is where you should be focusing you attentions, rather than coming here and larding us with B.S. national statism/fascism. This money type has a chance, and will matter, unlike your fantasies.

          Maybe your friends do have glorious feelings about Hitler’s reign. Tell that to all of the other dead, because girly little Adolph couldn’t think outside of the box.

          Get on the right trail boy. The nonsense you are chasing will not lead you to the Promised Land. You may have a chance if you change directions, as you are pretty fair historian. I don’t like to see a good mind go to waste. And what you are doing is a total waste.

          If you were here and called me a Jew lover, I would break your jaw.

          Huber is a German and a no bullshit economist. There are only a couple economist in the world not spouting B.S., so I just gave you a huge head start. Get started, and read his stuff, and all of the books he recommends.

          • Don’t try to threaten me unless you are going to present yourself – My name is Mike Strobach – I live in Wausau Wisconsin, very easy to find, you want to threaten me, bring a fucking ambulance – 715 223 9934, call me up if you want to meet, don’t waste my time pretending to be some tough guy, just come and face me since that’s what you claim you want to do.

            You don’t know what you are talking about – I do not believe in National Socialism, and I do not believe in the cult of personality. I don’t want a new Hitler or a leader, I want everyone to become a leader, each and every individual to become a man and a leader with some balls. Everyone must become his own master and do and say what he knows is correct. I am not a National Socialist, I believe in the only language jews understand, that of violence. Im not advocating any of the fake FED movements such as National Socialism – The Aryan white resistance – The KKK – The Christian Identity Morons – the Militia ANY OF IT – THEY ARE ALL FEDS. Every so called NS – pro white anti jew whatever name you would like to give it is either a FED or a person seeking donations PERIOD. J Bruce Campbell is the only man I know who isn’t a FED or a donation seeker. A guy like wayne – justice for Germans is also a legitimate person with no agenda. He simply wants the truth to be heard. He is trustworthy, everybody else except Campbell has a personal agenda or is a FED. What I am calling for, is the ideological investigation into the capacity we downtrodden working men have left for actual resistance. Unless you are ready to speak to the jews and their collaborators also known as governments in the only language they understand than you will get nowhere.

            Ren, you don’t know what the fuck I believe in so just shut your face up. What you are trying to accomplish is to drive whites back to worthless racism and a jewish Hollywood portrayal of evil whites or stupid whites. We have evolved, we don’t need racism, we hate people for good reasons, never for their race, except jews, but because they deserve it by their actions, especially jews… Idiots like you are also on that list as the enemy just for being stupid and participating in sheep dipping. You’re a fucking FED or some sort of informant/propagandist. No effort should be wasted on resurrecting some long lost system of government. Its time to become adults and stop asking permission, jewish governments must become more afraid of us than we are of them. This entire thread is a waste of energy that people could be using to oppose the corruption of jewish rule. Aside from that, the inaccuracies presented here are absolutely pathetic and unproven/unsourced….

            That being said, I have always been a reader and follower of truth in history. What is being peddled here at this site is absolutely Alex jones type of controlled opposition PERIOD. Go to my site or J Bruce Campbell’s site, we would never accept one penny in donations, you can’t give us money, we only want the end of jewish rule by any means, preferably extreme. I am not a National Scoilaist, I am a German who simply has an ethnic commitment to telling the truth, however I would do the same for people in South America or wherever they may be who are being continuously lied about and degraded by a bunch of idiots. That’s my only interest here – actual truth in the study of historical events. Germany did show us the way but we must adapt what they taught us and what happened to them in order to make any headway, they were too nice, they didn’t annihilate their enemies, this fact will not be lost to history. As I said, I am not a National Socialist and National Socialism was a one time deal, it can not be duplicated, its window of opportunity is long past, a new opportunity is now among us – total resistance.

            You can try and distract people all you want, it will not work. I am coming out and saying – this is my name and where I live – I am not afraid, I will say whatever the fuck I want and attempt to get as many as people as possible to do the same and throw all caution to the wind. Anger and Hatred are our banners and belief. I will also do my very best to annihilate every one of you who are the worlds biggest liars and windbags… One thing I do believe in – the value of an honest days work and concentration camps for the non productive members of society. All this blathering on this site is a huge distraction to our mission at hand.


            Listen to this interview – one of the greatest I have ever heard, imagine the world we could live in if everybody was as great as this man… where has the honesty of people gone? how can one listen to Campbell and not be struck with the magnificence of his character, he is the essence of a free man and all the rest is just worthless blather…

            So mr anonymous coward, you have my name and cell phone number – 715 223 9934, You say we need to what? Violence is what we need, anything less is completely impotent, have a nice day uttering fake threats on the internet…

          • REN permalink

            No, the law is what we need. We also need education, especially on how things work. Violence just gets you hauled away. I’ve tried the Violence approach as you can tell, been hauled away and I’ve learned. But, trust me, it lurks just under the surface and I have trouble controlling it. When I was a bouncer one of my friends was murdered by a wetback, who only needed six ounces of pressure on a trigger. I wouldn’t give away my address and suggest you don’t either, even though with modern computers we can be found out pretty easily by the NSA or even a good hacker. I’m sure I’m on their list of people to be monitored.

            The law, coordinated action, and moral authority will gain you much more than claims for Statism.

            We can convert the money supply over from banker debt money to Sovereign money overnight. Nobody would be able to tell the difference as the money supply would not contract.

            The method is pretty simple, where you make a loan to the banks equal to all of our debt outstanding. When the credit money refluxes to the ledger the loan is paid back. We then issue equal amounts of money directly into working families, that way they can buy from each other, and pay off their private debts.

            At the same time, rents in the form of prices can be monitored and rentier behavior can be prosecuted. Jewish money masters, price rentiers, and all other predators can be rooted one by one, and done so in a legal moral fashion they cannot fight against.

          • This reply dedicated to all those Alberta social crediters who actually think CH Douglas’s philosophy will somehow fulfill fundamental purpose that is contained within the pages of any Christian Bible, and in any Christian English translations of any of the ancients texts. At least the Pilgrims of St. Michael in Montreal have stated forthrightly that their objective includes abolition of usury altogether. While the Alberta social crediters harbor no intentions of either ending usury or ending privately owned corporations called banks’ ability to create money in the form of bank credit. I would hope that Montreal’s Pilgrims will consider the multitude Bible of passages quoted below and rethink their support for a social credit dividend to all:

            The Christian Bible teaches that all who can work should work. This was verified by Christ when He stated that the poor will always be with us. From Genesis through Revelation the word work appears over and over and over. We were made to work. During the creation God worked six days (or epochs). In the image and likeness of God we were made. So also should we work. But some bear fruit to honor and others to dishonor. Then there are the lazy and slothful. Then there are the stubborn and obstinate. Every ilk of person imaginable can be found in the human race. We have been given the opportunity in this lifetime to sow and reap good or to sow and reap evil. Or is it to skate and do as little as possible, perhaps nothing at all while we do drugs and party?

            We were also given understanding to feel empathy, sympathy, grief for others for their losses. We also have pity seeing the plight of some who were not born with abilities that most have. These handicapped people, whether mentally deficient or physically, are not able to earn competitive wages. So we have agreed together within the reach of civil law to assist these people who are unable to compete. All these come under the auspices of Christian giving, to give to the poor and the helpless. At present it is optional, not mandatory.

            Then there are layers of useless sluggards whose every waking hour is spent looking for drugs or alcohol. These have no interest in working at all. Many today, after a life of alcoholism, wind up in a nursing home to waste away what little remains of their lives. While their last years here are mostly spent suffering, the rest of us pay for their medical and living expenses. We also pay for medical and living expenses for those convicted criminals whose crime or crimes did not warrant the death penalty. And at present, we are subsidizing all the money creator criminals on Wall Street who own the beltway criminals.

            We give welfare to the pimps, prostitutes, dope addicts, alcoholics, chronically unemployed (those who don’t want a job to begin with) and other criminal types. We give Medicaid and Medicare to even those aged persons who deliberately did little at all to put aside anything at all for that time in their lives. Those who get Medicaid after a life of self abuse become wards of the state and get the benefits of very able health care professionals. Doctors and nurses whose training requires massive self-sacrifice early in their lives deserve to get paid for their efforts. All who obtain advanced education and training and then work expect returns for their sacrifices.

            What does the Christian Bible teach about this? Some Scriptural passages below, that contain the word work, sloth or sluggard, are given here so that CH Douglas’s Social Credit philosophy can be given its fair day in the court of Christian judgment. CH Douglas thought he had a better idea than the way the Bible teaches. Major Clifford Hugh Douglas believed that the answer to modern man’s plight of economic booms and busts is to give every adult person a carte blanche dividend, a credit to his/her account to be spent with no strings attached. He would include this dividend to all, including all six types mentioned above in paragraph four. Would this be wise?

            All six types will typically not provide one dime saved for themselves for the eventuality of old age when they will need more medical attention and also need paid for living quarters. We all wind up paying for a portion of their lives, their old age, anyway. Why would we give them now a dividend that will get wasted, up in smoke or pissed into a urinal. They will indeed spend every waking hour searching for money to obtain more drugs or alcohol whether they get a dividend or not. So when we give them a dividend, we will be paying twice, first to support their bad habits, then for their medical care and living quarters in their old age. It just doesn’t make a bit of sense to pay for their bad habits. But we can extend our empathy and sympathy for such people’s plight when they finally arrive to their old age. To withhold shelter and food from them when they are old and in dire straits would indeed be cruel and bitter on our part. But if they want drugs, alcohol or are criminally inclined earlier on in life, let them beg or work for what they want. A recent email that circulated puts all this in rather poignant terms (See Below).

            We have enough problems seeing to it that police, firemen, EMTs, prosecutors, judges, elected officials at all levels of government, civil service employees, contractors who build and maintain infrastructure, and on and on and on and on are all paid a fair return on their labors as well as the expanding private health care section of society. All the more reason why we need to create our own money supply through the only fair way by issuing the currency as payments directly for all that our government is now responsible including pensions and by emitting it interest free. As for expanding the domestic agro/industrial sector and domestic private health care sector, interest free loans are the only solution to usher in economic stability. In this way, interest never winds up in the prices of the goods and services. And since the money supply belongs to the people, interest free loans should also be available domestically for all private citizens. This is all it would take to end economic oppression. The only tax needed is a flat rate tax on incomes above poverty levels in which the rate would vary from year to year based upon the ratio between the money supply and GDP. Usury is the problem. Do away with usury as Christ commanded in Luke 6:35.
            “But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.


            2 Thessalonians Chapter 3

            10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

            11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

            12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

            13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.

            1 Timothy Chapter 5

            8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
            18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

            2 Timothy Chapter 2

            6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

            2 Timothy Chapter 3

            13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

            14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

            15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

            16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

            17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

            Hebrews 2:7
            Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

            Hebrews 6:12
            That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

            Romans 12:11
            Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

            Matthew 25:26
            His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

            Ecclesiastes 10:18
            By much slothfulness the building decayeth; and through idleness of the hands the house droppeth through.

            Proverbs 21:25
            The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour.

            Proverbs 6:6
            Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:

            Proverbs 6:9
            How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?

            Proverbs 10:26
            As vinegar to the teeth, and as smoke to the eyes, so is the sluggard to them that send him.

            Proverbs 13:4
            The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.

            Proverbs 20:4
            The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing.

            Proverbs 26:16
            The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.

            Proverbs 12:24
            The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.

            Proverbs 12:27
            The slothful man roasteth not that which he took in hunting: but the substance of a diligent manis precious.

            Proverbs 15:19
            The way of the slothful man is as an hedge of thorns: but the way of the righteous is made plain.

            Proverbs 18:9 | Read whole chapter
            He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.

            Proverbs 19:15
            Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger.

            Proverbs 19:24
            A slothful man hideth his hand in his bosom, and will not so much as bring it to his mouth again.

            Proverbs 22:13
            The slothful man saith, There is a lion without, I shall be slain in the streets.

            Proverbs 24:30
            I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding;

            Proverbs 26:13
            The slothful man saith, There is a lion in the way; a lion is in the streets.

            Proverbs 26:14
            As the door turneth upon his hinges, so doth the slothful upon his bed.

            Proverbs 26:15
            The slothful hideth his hand in his bosom; it grieveth him to bring it again to his mouth.


          • Whatever, the law is a jewish plot… doesn’t serve the people, wake up man, there is no law, we are under the law of the gun, based on the threat of violence…

  87. Ren explain some of this shit to me, you know while you are not too busy making idle threats and claiming to be a white man, that could be a while but just try real hard

    • REN permalink

      None of the “shit” in your link is a surprise. We already know that money power and Jewish supremacism are linked. The problem is that fascism or any sort of Statism is not the answer. It is not the natural evolution of man. The Cats paws of Hegelian dielectic are bouncing humanity in between false choices. The true nature of man is a family unit, with the individual empowered as one of God’s creatures. This family unit and man is sovereign, not the state, and not groups of Oligarchs.

      Only by fixing the money system can man evolve past these false choices. The true real choice is Federalism, and to repair Federalism means to repair the money…and I might add the price problem too. Hitler attempted to fix both money and price with state power. But, there are better ways, specifically that advocated by Major C.H. Douglas, and today in the guise of Sovereign Money. Equally, Mutual Credit offers some relief.

      Here are some quotes from Douglas before WW2:

      The Thoughts of Douglas

      P R E D I C T I O N S

      … I am convinced that if you go along the lines that you are following at present, and if you continue along those lines for any considerable period of time … I am perfectly certain that you are heading for the most terrific disaster the mind of man can conceive. From Evidence by Major C.H. Douglas before Select Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, House of Commons, Canada, April 1923.



      I will put the objective as I see it for your consideration in a very general form and that is, we want to establish a correct relationship between the individual and the group so that the group, and the attributes of the group shall serve the individual and not the Individual be the slave of the group.

      The whole of society exists from my point of view – it may not be yours – but from my point of view the whole of society exists for the benefit of the individual. … The great danger at the present time is not that the present financial system will persist … but that under the confusion that will exist as a result of the crises caused by the breakdown of the financial system, an even greater tyranny may be put over on you as in the cases of many countries at the present time, and which is in active progress in still more countries even as I speak.
      That is the danger, and you must keep in your minds, to avoid that danger, some clear objective, and that objective, the proper relationship of the individual to the group, is in my opinion, the relationship and objective to which we want to strive. …

      We are at the present time unquestionably under the domination of a financial system, which rules us. It rules us in our most basic necessities; the necessity for bed, board and clothes, and the other things that go to make up the standard of living. But we do not want to transfer that domination from, let us say, what we can call the banking, system under another name to something we call the State.
      We have no desire whatever if we will analyse what our objective is, to change one master for a still more powerful master. That is one of the greatest dangers at the present time – that large bodies of people will be carried away by words of which they have not analysed the meaning. … The opponents in this matter – we will put it on its lowest terms – can either allow the world to be plunged into another great delirium tremens, another great World War, or the opponents themselves can take steps to change the system. Now I have myself no doubt as to what is happening at this particular time, and that is that the opponents are endeavouring to change the system and the endeavour is being made to change over from the tyranny of finance to a tyranny of administration. That is being pursued with extraordinary sagacity.
      It is coming in many nations, at this particular moment almost under your very eyes. …

      In Great Britain the phrase under which this change is taking place is called Rationalisation or Planning; in Italy as the Fascisti or Corporate State; in Russia it is the Dictatorship of the Proletariat … and is being aimed at in Germany by the Nazis … Whether it be by accident or design, the world is steadily moving over from a financial tyranny which has both the elements of breakdown and has also been found out to another tyranny, a tyranny of administration … the setting up of an entire State which can say, “You shall do so and so”. “You shall have such and such rations”. “You shall live in such and such a house, you shall work such and such hours”. “You shall be taught such and such things”. “And any deviation from those laws which we lay down for you will be penalised by either starvation or by all the rigours of the law”.
      Extracts from a speech by Major C.H. Douglas at Calgary, Alberta, Canada, April, 1934.

  88. The day J.P. Morgan sunk the titanic


    I remember hearing, in the 1950s, rumors that Hitler had escaped to a secret Nazi base at the South Pole. In 1952, Dwight D. Eisenhower said:

    “We have been unable to unearth one bit of tangible evidence of Hitler’s death. Many people believe that Hitler escaped from Berlin.”

    When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Potsdam conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, ’No.’ Stalin’s top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov, whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a long thorough investigation in 1945:

    “We have found no corpse that could be Hitler’s.”

    The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd, said:
    “No one can say he is dead.”

  89. Carl permalink

    Excuse me if I’ve overlooked any comments about the Red Symphony here. In that Rakovsky, a representative of the money power was interrogated by Stalin’s man and Rakovsky said that Hitler had become a big threat to the money power because he had printed his own money (presumably ‘debt-free’ money. This doesn’t quite jive with MEFO bills…

  90. the white working man is called the “fascistic element” by jews. I have noticed that this site and its jew trolls like moronmick are obsessed with the word fascist which is basically a jewish self defense tactic. If you use the word fascist to describe nationalists than you are a jew who hates productive members of society period!

    • Fascists are definitely the unproductive members, but not the working classes (I make no distinction in race). They are the plutocrats and the speculative oligarchs in banking and wallstreet that parasitically live on working classes via usury. Their shills and front men are those politicians (libertarians, republicans, wallstreet democrats and tea party dupes) that blame the working classes for their unemployment, poverty and dependency upon social programs. Currently they are also the ones demanding that all aids for their continued existence, food/shelter/medical, be terminated because they — never the usurers and speculators — are the cause of all the unsustainable debt. This is fascism whether or not it ever really applied to AH and the National socialists.

  91. Hi Anthony
    I have to say I have had more fun on this post than any I can remember! 🙂

    I salute you and you can see the flack when you go against the grain. I am eccentric possibly related to being a distant relative to Chief Osceola. Doc Holliday is also my cousin. Major Holliday had something like 18,000 acres stolen from the Creeks. There is only one solution but we probably do not have the luxury of time.

    I love you guy and everything will work out like it is supposed to.

  92. where can we find evidence that shows that the reichsmark was a fractional reserve deal? I don’t think that’s true

    • Brownhawk permalink

      We may learn the truth of this matter some day, but one basic thing can’t be ruled out. That is that Hitler, while perhaps being a ‘student’ of the Tavistock School of higher indoctrination, could very well have had a change of heart with regards to the role they groomed for him to play, instead deciding he was going to deal with the jews and their money once and for all by winning the second of the three major wars that were/are planned for.

      In order to do so he had no choice but to use their money because it was, in effect the only game in town (“town”=the whole world).

      He rolled the dice and all bets were off. We know the rest of the story.

      P.S. How you doin’, Mick? 😉

      • Where is the evidence that he was ever at Sussex University for Tavistock programing or that he had any contact with this institute? This appears to be just wild speculation arising from astonishing fact that for once in history a man of the people rose to power and could not be persuaded or coerced to betray his stated populist principles and ideals.

        • Brownhawk permalink

          I have no proof one way or thew other, pm, and neither do you. I’m simply offering possibilities of how things may have really gone down, is all.

          Other than that, I’m in agreement with you regarding Hitler’s true position and intentions

      • Brownhawk permalink


        Although we have our differences regarding the truth about Hitler, I’m glad to see that you and I understand that what is overarching everything going on is represented well by the Iroquoian statements to the World for which you provided links in one of your posts.

        Getting back in tune with the natural world trumps EVERYTHING that spews from the ‘non-indigenous’ mindset. And all would do well to learn the old ways of wampum

  93. KSS permalink

    “But the most important thing is the way the Protocols describe the State as the center and source of public life. The complete subservience of the individual to the State as the embodiment of the greater whole, being the Nation.”

    Sheikh Imran Hosein: How Dajjal will rule the world (via Shirk and Riba)


    I gave it a Swedish title which translates to:

    1945 Germany is set on fire – the country is desecrated, a raped nation – the swines have complete the rape on yet another country…

    seems as if migchels told us a version of a story rather than the unfolding historical event

  95. “The simple fact of the matter is: Hitler did uproot the Jews and murdered probably about a million of them in the process. But he did nothing to really threaten the ultra rich.” Now you sound Jewish with your random 1 million estimation. Why don’t you add a 5 to this and then you can be a complete Shabbos Goy. Seriously though, where are you getting this number? Most of the communist suberversives, who just so happened to be Jewish, died of starvation and typhus because of the allied bombing. This had nothing to do with Hitler.

  96. You said, “Just last week it was reported he brought with him a detailed peace treaty, offering to leave Western Europe in exchange for a free hand in Russia.” I read the article, and your interpretation seems to be that he wanted a truce with England so he could conquer Russia, Napoleon style. But one could just as easily interpret this as, “Hey Britain, go easy on us, we will handle the Bolshevist hoard to protect Europe”. Your take: selfish war-mongering. Alternative take: Selfless act of duty to country and Europe in general. Which is it?


    looks like my version is far better sourced migchels

    lets be clear Hitler attacked Russia basically on German soil I mean trhey had how many bases and airfields within 50 kilometers of the German border???

  98. Very well written. I’ve always though the truth was somewhere in the middle between Hitler was evil and Hitler was the greatest. I think you are closest I’ve seen to hitting it.

    It’s very important, as your clearly see, not to blame others that are being manipulated as well. Hate does no good and feeds the fire of those that seek to control us and keep us down. Our suffering, hate, and infighting keep us where they want us.

  99. The WW2 has been told many times by those who defeated Germany. But difficult to understand really the Second World War without reading the speeches of Hitler:

  100. Thought I’d post some information on the Usury system we all live under today.

    In the old days there was no paper money. The accepted token of exchange was precious metal minted into coins by the Church and the Crown. Because there was only a limited amount of gold and silver available, the economic life of the nation had a certain regularity.

    An even greater restriction existed throughout Christendom. This was a prohibition against usury, or charging interest. The Church held it to be a grave sin and the code was upheld by the civil powers. There were harsh penalties for those who broke the law.

    The regulation of usury was to prevent the separation of money from reality. Money is not a good, it is a measure. It is fraud to pretend otherwise, and constitutes theft. Usury is making money from lending money; it is making money from nothing. This is exactly what is happening today on a colossal scale.

    Several important things arose from the prohibition of usury in medieval Christendom. Firstly Jews, who had taken to wandering around Europe in the Middle Ages, began to specialize in money-lending and other practices which were forbidden to Christians. Exploited Christians, both peasants and aristocracy, found themselves being bled dry by usurers, which is why there were sporadic uprisings, imprisonments and expulsions of Jews throughout Europe. It is one reason why King Edward I expelled these perfidious people from England in 1290. Oliver Cromwell allowed them back when the moral authority of the Church was undermined and the King was beheaded in 1649.

    Secondly, gold coins, jewels and other valuables were deposited with people who held strongboxes. This was usually with goldsmiths and money-lenders who, more often than not, were one and the same. These loan-sharks and scriveners realized that, without much chance of being found out, they could charge people for looking after their deposits and then use those deposits – which did not belong to them – to make loans to other people at interest. They soon became rich and powerful.

    Gold coins are heavy and awkward to carry around so the custom arose whereby the money-lenders would issue credit notes to depositors who began to trade these notes between themselves in commercial transactions. Paper money had come into existence.

    A new form of usury developed as the swindling money-lenders realized the immoral benefits that could be obtained from such a situation. It became apparent to these thieves that they could go one step further than dishonestly using other people’s money for financial advantage at no cost to themselves. They could invent money from absolutely nothing. They could issue credit notes with nothing to back them up and put them into circulation as interest-bearing debts. No-one would be any the wiser. They calculated that they could safely issue notes for up to ten times more than the gold deposits they held, because the depositors would never ask for their deposits back all at the same time.

    The principle of modern banking was thus established: invent money from nothing, put it into circulation as “running cash notes” that have to be paid back with real wealth that is produced from our labour, sit back and become unbelievably wealthy and powerful men: hidden rulers of nations.

    In England this deceitful system was officially sanctioned in 1694. The usurper of the throne, William of Orange, had overthrown the legitimate King James II with the financial backing and plotting of powerful Jewish financiers in Amsterdam. In return he gave the sovereignty of England to a group of financiers by means of a Charter allowing them to call themselves the Bank of England. The Charter made no mention of issuing the nation’s money, but within minutes of signing the new Bank officials were discussing the form of their “running cash notes.” The same system was adopted in every country by a process of Masonic revolution and manipulation.

    Published in Heritage and Destiny, July-August 2012

    Few people understand our financial system, because its basic processes are rarely discussed. Even economics graduates have never heard much of this.

    Money is not a good, it is a measure. Since the introduction of paper money however, this distinction has been progressively eroded. Originally coinage, made of gold and silver, was issued by both the Crown and church authorities. The first paper money was written receipts for gold.

    When the word usury is used nowadays, which is not often, it usually denotes ‘excessive interest.’ But its original and primary meaning was ‘any interest at all.’ Making money from money was illegal under church law. The Third Lateran Council denounced usury as a sin in 1179, and claiming otherwise was declared a heresy in 1312. The taboo continued for several centuries. If a fisherman needed money for a boat, he entered into a profit-sharing arrangement with a business partner; if a house was bought, a “rent” could be paid until the purchase price was reached. Compare that to today, with “interest-only mortgages” where householders pay nothing but interest and never actually own their house.

    Carrying gold was burdensome and risky, so the practice arose of depositing it with people, often jewellers, who had strong-boxes. Receipts were issued and these were exchanged, becoming the forerunner of the modern banknote. The Bank of England was established in 1694 to become Britain’s central bank but even its “promissory notes” were still handwritten for the first few years. Gold was carried in the form of sovereign and half-sovereign coins until quite recently. A sovereign was worth twenty silver shillings, or £1, but gold was hastily withdrawn from circulation in August 1914 with the outbreak of World War I.

    “The ostentation which possession of great wealth enabled the Jews to display, and their unconcealed contempt for the practices of Christianity, made them an object of universal dislike; as usurers, moreover, they had gained a strangle-hold on the recently founded monastic houses whose splendid buildings they had financed, and on many of the smaller aristocratic families…” From Domesday Book to Magna Carta (1951), p. 353.

    “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate peoples into a state of poverty, especially farmers, working-class people, and the very poor.” Pope Clement VIII, 1592

    The Expulsion of the Jews from England

    Geoffrey H. Smith

    Upon accession to the throne, Edward I was conducting a crusade against the Saracen. Returning to England in 1274, he found the realm in ruins, as a result of his father’s folly.

    Many debtors, realising that the Jews of England were in trouble, refused to honour their debts. An audit organised by the government revealed widespread corruption. Many formerly affluent Jewish financiers had to sell their property in order to fulfill their tax obligations. Many also failed to pay the taxes due and were simply banished, as Jews were only tolerated when they could devise means to legally rob the English so as to pay taxes to the Crown.

    The generally run-down condition of Jewry cried out for reform, and events abroad indicated one method of bringing it about.

    In 1274, when Edward returned from the crusades, the Council of Lyons under Pope Gregory X ordered the Christians to condemn the sin of usury and those who conducted it, both native-born and foreign. Pious Edward, being a loyal son of the Church, went into immediate action, and ordered an investigation into the practices of the Florentine bankers. They had been in England since 1223. There then followed an investigation of the Jews.

    For nearly 200 years Jewish bankers had been favoured by the Crown and encouraged to fill the royal coffers – this cannot be denied. But now that Jews were impoverished, their ‘usefulness’ could be forgotten. And so Henry III’s policy of restricting Jewish activities, and the Church’s policy of suppressing usury, were combined in an attempt to prevent Jews from practising their expertise in loaning money at interest.

    A foolish attempt was made to turn Jews from usurers and merchants to material producers and common labourers. This proposal – putting Jews to work – was submitted by Robert Grosseteste, later Bishop of Lincoln. He thought it a good idea and he approved it. See Grosseteste, Epistolae, ed. Luard, V. p. 3ff. (To this day, Jews in Israel refuse to sweep the streets and do menial work.)

    Then later, Thomas Acquinas urged similar action upon the Duchess of Brabant. “If rulers think they harm their souls by taking money from usurers,” he wrote, “they should see that the Jews are compelled to labour.” (See Opusculum ad Ducissam Brabantae, 1261.)

    The Stätütüm dè Jûdèísmö of 1275 was promulgated in the Common Council of the Realm at Westminster. Both Jews and Christians were forbidden to lend money at interest; offenders would suffer punishment. Debts outstanding at the time the Statute was introduced were to be paid by the following Easter.

    And that each Jew after he shall be seven years old, shall wear a badge on his outer garment that is to say in the form of two tables joined of yellow fait of the length of six inches and of the breadth of three inches.
    Stätütüm dè Jûdèísmö 1275

    As regards the ownership of land, the Stätütüm dè Jûdèísmö was more liberal than the legislation of four years earlier, which prohibited it entirely except for personal occupation.

    Following the promulgation of the Statute, Jewry held a meeting to consider the long-term impact. They drew up a long petition, begging the King and his Council to make modifications. Poor Jews (they claimed) should be allowed to dispose of property to fellow Jews, instead of being forced to tear down buildings for scrap material.

    Jews could no longer travel about safely and usury was no longer profitable as debtors realised their increasing plight. Their petition to the King and Council was a pathetic plea for mercy, begging to be allowed to live at peace under Edward as they had done since the days of the Norman Conquest. (See Select Cases in Court of King’s Bench, Edward I, vol. iii, pp. xxxi, cxiv.)

    During the year following the enactment of the Stätütüm dè Jûdèísmö, many Jews unable to pay their taxes were imprisoned and their families deported overseas. Wealthy Jews, in contrast, turned to the sale of corn and wool. They proved successful at Bristol, Canterbury, Exeter and Hereford, trading in corn, while at Lincoln, Norwich and Oxford their interest was wool. Dealing in trinkets, jewelry and common junk continued as of old.

    Many Jews, forbidden by the Statute to profit from usury took to ‘clipping’ the coinage: that is, clipping or filing the edges of gold and silver coins, putting it back into circulation and melting the clippings and filings into bullion.

    This offence is condemned in Sepher Hassidin pp. 305-6 and is recorded as one of the reasons for the Expulsion by Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg, in his Responsa. (Also by the chroniclers Ibn Verga and Usque in their accounts of the Expulsion; and less sceptically, Isaac Abrabanel in his Yeshwoth Meshiho, p. 46.) Jews were punished more severely than Christians if clipped coins were found about their person.

    Even Jewish historians admit that usury was their sole occupation at one time, but once that channel of livelihood had been forbidden, conditions worsened, dramatically and fatefully for Jews. Prosecutions increased until at last the King appointed a judicial commission to investigate.

    On 17 November 1278 Jews all over England were arrested in house-to-house searches in every city that had Jewish quarters. Several hundred were sent to the Tower, their property confiscated and escheated to the King. Among the Jews arrested were Benedict fil’ Licoricia, a prominent Jew of Winchester, and the affluent woman financier Belaset of Lincoln. The house confiscated from Belaset of Lincoln is still standing in Steep Hill. (For the official inventory of the property confiscated, extant only for Bristol, Devizes and Winchester, see Misc. J.H.S.E. ii, 56-71.)

    A few Jews stayed alive by discovering the benefits of Christianity, and gave up Judaism. Only three Christians were hanged for clipping the coinage and melting it down into bullion.

    Thus, the end came about to large-scale offences against the coin of the realm. The sale and export of bullion by Jews was prohibited (cf. P.R. 1283, pp. 56, 79; see also: Annales Monastici ii, 390-1; iii, 279; iv, 278).

    In November 1286 Pope Honorius wrote to the Archbishops of Canterbury and York, reaffirming the decision of the Lateran Councils. He enlarged on the evils of relations between Christians and Jews and warned of the pernicious consequences of the study of the Jews’ Talmud. The King joined in the dialogue and condemnation by reviving the crimes of ritual murder. Jewish writers use the word “allegation” with regard to ritual murder with boring regularity.

    On 6 February 1283 a Justice of the Jews, Hamo Hauteyn, set up a commission to investigate charges against Jews accused of selling plate made of clippings or silvered tinplate to foreign merchants. However, Justice Hauteyn was cashiered as he was far from genuine also. (See Select Cases in Court of King’s Bench, Edward I.)

    To coin a modern phrase, there was only one ‘final solution’ to the Jewish problem. But the banishment of Jews was by no means a new idea in the 13th century. It had been employed all over Europe as far back as the 7th century.

    In England various parliaments attempted to interest the King to order the expulsion of all Jews and it seems to have crossed the mind of Henry III. The Jews averted immediate disaster by making a better offer.

    The final step was taken on 18 July 1290 by an Act of the King in his Council. It happened to be (long since remembered with awe) the fast of the ninth of Ab, the anniversary of manifold disasters for Jews, from the destruction of Jerusalem onwards. On the same day writs were issued to the sheriffs of many English counties, informing them that by Royal Decree all Jews were ordered to leave England before 1 November; any who remained were declared liable to be executed. The news of the expulsion was greeted by the population with great joy. Parliament promptly agreed to royal demand for a fifteenth of moveables and a tenth of the spiritual revenue, in taxation against Jews.

    The Jews of London started their long journey to the coast “under the custody of the Lord King,” bearing the Scrolls of the Law, “una cum libris suis” (at one with their book). On board ship, at Queenborough, at the mouth of the Thames, ship’s anchor was cast at ebb-tide and the ship grounded on a sandbank. The ship’s Master then invited his passengers to stretch their legs. When the tide reversed direction so did the Master, climbing back on board while telling the helpless Jews that they “ought to cry unto Moses, by whose conduct their fathers passed through the Red Sea.” The Jews all drowned but the Master also met a bad end. He was hanged when the pious Edward learned of his mockery and manslaughter.

    Most of the Jews went from England to France, while others wandered to Spain, Germany and Flanders. That fateful year for Jews, 1290, saw the first general expulsion from any country of that era. As chronicled in recorded history, Edward I was the first to order wholesale banishment of the Jews, with such awesome and long-lasting effect. His example was followed sixteen years later in France, by Philip de Bel, and two centuries later by Ferdinand and Isobel of Spain.

    “Although Edward I’s 1290 edict of expulsion was not formally revoked as Manasseh [Ben Israel] had hoped, the resumption of open Jewish worship achieved the same practical result. The edict has actually not been revoked to this day.” Joan Comay: Who’s Who in Jewish History after the Period of the Old Testament (1974).

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